Steve in the Z28 smoked

[iburnslabs]

heres the clip


ITO


http://www.logicimports.com/races/Z28vsBPUsupra.mpeg

or if that doesnt work just goto


http://www.logicimports.com/races

and right click "save as" on the z28 vs supra file.

[iburnslabs]

o yea MODS are unknown, he always tells us something different,at least exhuast and he was running drag radials, i was running my street tires.. he heated his up mine were cold, and i got a shitty launch. looked like the fucker jumped the line o well.

[b18cya-T]

;OwnEd;

[ericjames]

P.S. He's now been smoked by me, the supra, the prelude, and the GSX... When we first met him he said if he ever lost to an import he would sell his car. Well steve get a move on.

:D ;OwnEd;

[iburnslabs]

after the race he also told me that his car weighs 4200 lbs with no one in it, curb weight seems to be 3400 on all the sites i checked..... and also said that he had 355 Wheel Hp stock... specs show 325 Crank HP.. strange

[iburnslabs]

Originally posted by ericjames
P.S. He's now been smoked by me, the supra, the prelude, and the GSX... When we first met him he said if he ever lost to an import he would sell his car. Well steve get a move on.

:D ;OwnEd;

lol good point, i keep forgetting about that

[2000SiVTEC]

"ahh I grinded second", "I spun a lot"......good excuses;)

[iburnslabs]

well yea thats what im sayin.. i mean i messed up my launch and bogged... but ya know thats what racing is all about , it happens. sometimes ya fuck up and lose but theres no point in making excuses bout it. and no matter how fast you are or "think" you are, there is always someone faster than you.

[Violator]

Kinda strange, didnt hear and grinding when he shifted into second gear, I guess that's one of the many excuses me came up with.

[iburnslabs]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

now thats funny..



chinese boosted car go FAST!

[1WickedLude]

i beat his little bitch ass shifting at 6000 rpm hmmmmmm my redline is 9000 rpm so sad but pretty bad when you get beat by a Prelude boosting 16lbs because of cracked turbo manifold, aht should be boosting 36lbs pathetic domestics as for HP on a 2001 Z28, it is rated at 310 crank the SS is rated at 330 crank, and the Firehawk is rated at 400 crank but yet i beat a Firehawk today shifting at 7200 its truly sad all that noise and no balls

[domestichell]

What did you run on that pass??

[Chevy454]

Originally posted by 1WickedLude
i beat his little bitch ass shifting at 6000 rpm hmmmmmm my redline is 9000 rpm so sad but pretty bad when you get beat by a Prelude boosting 16lbs because of cracked turbo manifold, aht should be boosting 36lbs pathetic domestics as for HP on a 2001 Z28, it is rated at 310 crank the SS is rated at 330 crank, and the Firehawk is rated at 400 crank but yet i beat a Firehawk today shifting at 7200 its truly sad all that noise and no balls





Here it is, a z28, ss, trans am, and forumula all have the same engine as the regular C5 vette. bone stock they will dyno 300rwhp. which puts them at about crank 350hp.


And you are proud of beating a Z28, a $15k car with a stock engine WTF?

What is pathertic is that for any honda to go fast you have to change the whole engine out and/or add boost.

[iburnslabs]

Originally posted by Chevy454
Here it is, a z28, ss, trans am, and forumula all have the same engine as the regular C5 vette. bone stock they will dyno 300rwhp. which puts them at about crank 350hp.


And you are proud of beating a Z28, a $15k car with a stock engine WTF?

What is pathertic is that for any honda to go fast you have to change the whole engine out and/or add boost.

well im not tryin to be proud of it, just posting the details thats all, i knew i would beat him, also he ran 13.9 at the track , thats not stock.. also that car costs more than 15K....

i dont think you were referring to me in yer post, probobly because you referenced a honda. but yea thats my .02 cents


and its not pathetic that youhave to add boost to a honda to make it fast because the cars stock are not made to go fast.. thats why you must upgrade them to make them fast... just the way it is.... i mean i wouldnt buy a homda if i wanted a fast car but apparently lots of people do.

[domestichell]

chevy.......... the rides you mentioned cost way above 15k ...i bought mine used for 19k its a 00', new it would have been around 35k ...and if somebody takes a car that "isnt fast" and kicks a car that comes from the factory as a hot rod....doesnt that show that the person diserves to feel proud ...as for you slabs...thats a good kill man ...dont say you aren't proud..you killed a z28, you should be proud bout that shit Its not like you have to beet a dodge viper or some shit to have some pride in your car. Congrats

[Chevy454]

Used LS1 f-bods can be found in good shap for $15k easy.

And 13.9 at bani, while OK, is pretty close to stock, they run a mid-low 14 stock up here.

[iburnslabs]

Originally posted by Chevy454
Used LS1 f-bods can be found in good shap for $15k easy.

And 13.9 at bani, while OK, is pretty close to stock, they run a mid-low 14 stock up here.


o yea and his is an 02 and he bought it new so thats like 30K?

[john]

The file isn't there - still got it?

[john]

Excuse me? Should be boosting 36 psi? Got any more of whatever you're smoking? :)

Originally posted by 1WickedLude
i beat his little bitch ass shifting at 6000 rpm hmmmmmm my redline is 9000 rpm so sad but pretty bad when you get beat by a Prelude boosting 16lbs because of cracked turbo manifold, aht should be boosting 36lbs pathetic domestics as for HP on a 2001 Z28, it is rated at 310 crank the SS is rated at 330 crank, and the Firehawk is rated at 400 crank but yet i beat a Firehawk today shifting at 7200 its truly sad all that noise and no balls

[iburnslabs]

Originally posted by john
Excuse me? Should be boosting 36 psi? Got any more of whatever you're smoking? :)

the file is gone due to copywright BS.. but yea mike block is built for 60 max psi, and his turbo is good for 36 believe it or not

[SleeperZ]

Originally posted by iburnslabs
the file is gone due to copywright BS.. but yea mike block is built for 60 max psi, and his turbo is good for 36 believe it or not

Yeah, pass me that crack pipe too. Motors aren't built for "boost", they are built for strength or a certain hp level and rpm. Saying it's built for a certain boost pressure is admitting the head doesn't flow, and you've got too much restriction. It's easy to blow up a motor on 5 psi boost, it's irrelevant how strong it is. It's not boost that blows motors, it's heat and pressure from detonation.

So tell me, if the Honda motor is built for "60 max psi", describe the turbo setup that will generate that boost without melting the manifold and the IC piping...and did they machine the heads and pistons from titanium?

[Chevy454]

I gots this tite engine, it is buit for 47.82314 pounds YO!, strait from japan!



I love how people's only way of describing their turbo setup's specs are how much boost it has LOL. Any tard can crank up a MBC, that doesnt mean you should.

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by Chevy454


And 13.9 at bani, while OK, is pretty close to stock, they run a mid-low 14 stock up here.

13.9 is pretty decent for an SS since most are more in the 14.5-14.7 range since I guess most of them can't launch. My friend posted a best of a 14.38 in his stock '02 SS but that was a perfect launch and he mostly hits 14.4s-5s.

A '03 Z06 is good for 13.6 with a good driver for a reference and the Vipers should be good for at least a 13 flat so a few more psi through my turbo should put me in front of those for the whole 1/4 mile.

[Mr. NoSkills]

Originally posted by iburnslabs
the file is gone due to copywright BS.. but yea mike block is built for 60 max psi, and his turbo is good for 36 believe it or not

is this the GE sleeved h22?
if it is, just an FYI, golden eagle pressure tests their blocks to 40psi, they don't test them to HOLD 40psi.
a lot of people get that mixed up, when I first talked to them, i did.

[stu]

and the Vipers should be good for at least a 13 flat

Really? When we were at Club Clash, my cousin who was in the stands the whole time said they were all running 14's.

[Chevy454]

people suck at driving, it is not hard to drive a 13 second car 14s or even 15s if you suck.

[BoarderAJAX]

yeah, vipers should be able to run at least 13 flat. I remember hearing some where that they ran 12.2 at sea level. I think it is a GTS.
And BTW, didn't you hear then when i get my new turbo I am going run like 50Psi, but still have to stick with the stock fuel system, sometimes you got to get your priorities straight.


Mike

[iburnslabs]

well i dont know shit about hondas, im just going off of what mike told me, he said that the motor will hold it.. i have no idea if this is true. but a very good point about the block being tested to 40 psi and not holding it. i dont know exactly what mike has done to the thing... mike? step up and tell if you read this cause i have no idea.


and V8SpankR, it is not an SS its a z28. according to chevy the SS has i think 20 or 25 more hp than the z28...

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by stu
Really? When we were at Club Clash, my cousin who was in the stands the whole time said they were all running 14's.

The older RTs are hard pressed to run even a high 13 but most GTS modles should at least hit 13.3s to 13 flats. There was a guy in a blue GTS that ran 13.3.
That black/yellow one with the roll bar was an older one and that guy was running 14.3s.

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by iburnslabs



and V8SpankR, it is not an SS its a z28. according to chevy the SS has i think 20 or 25 more hp than the z28...

The regular LS1 Z28s in stock trim are more like a 14.7 car and the LT1 cars hover in the low 15s.
If he's running a high 13 with just the regular Z28 and a couple of mods then that's not too bad.

[iburnslabs]

Originally posted by V8SpankR
The older RTs are hard pressed to run even a high 13 but most GTS modles should at least hit 13.3s to 13 flats. There was a guy in a blue GTS that ran 13.3.
That black/yellow one with the roll bar was an older one and that guy was running 14.3s.

i met that guy with the black and yellow one with the roll bar at performance wheel and tire when i was down there... he said his car was good for a 13 flat.. i begged to differ.. but now i see what it can do.

[Chevy454]

Originally posted by iburnslabs


and V8SpankR, it is not an SS its a z28. according to chevy the SS has i think 20 or 25 more hp than the z28...

Stock they all dyno at about 300rwhp (under rated a bit).

Z28's and SS's are all the same HP, one just comes with a hood and catback.

[iburnslabs]

Originally posted by Chevy454
Stock they all dyno at about 300rwhp (under rated a bit).

Z28's and SS's are all the same HP, one just comes with a hood and catback.

hmmm... i could have sworn that CHEVY said something about a more aggressive cam in the ss... but hey what do i know?

[Chevy454]

no, same engine.

only thing to get a more agressive cam is the Z06's LS6

[domestichell]

isnt that like a 10 000k dollar motor.

[1WickedLude]

THIS GOES OUT TO JOHN AND SLEEPERZ:

Before you know what a import is good for, maybe you should consult my spec sheets from DARTON, yes, it is a DART block. Hmmmmmm, Ive put more $$$ into the motor than you guys have put into buying every car youve ever owned. Maybe you should DROP THE CRACK PIPE. PEACE

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by 1WickedLude
THIS GOES OUT TO JOHN AND SLEEPERZ:

Hmmmmmm, Ive put more $$$ into the motor than you guys have put into buying every car youve ever owned. PEACE

I know what John has owned and if you have that much $$$ in your car then I expect it will run faster than anything John has owned and if you are quicker than that I'll be impressed,actually I'll be impressed if you can run faster than SleeperZ.

[V8SpankR]

Also hurry and get this Honda to the strip,I'm anxious to see what it runs especially with that turbo on it.

[Talonstylz]

Paul, i believe he will run extremely fast times, like faster than an 11.5. The ludosh is insane, simple as that :) Ya mike, get your window fixed and get ur ass to the track!

[iburnslabs]

Originally posted by Talonstylz
Paul, i believe he will run extremely fast times, like faster than an 11.5. The ludosh is insane, simple as that :) Ya mike, get your window fixed and get ur ass to the track!

well from a roll were pretty much neck and neck untill 4th then i start pulling... so id say with a good launch high 12's on 18 psi... but if hed tune the damn thing and get it running 24-36 like its supposed to, then i will expect 11's with this turbo definitly. with the GT78 inovative... hmmmm i dont know that will just be insane..

[YDRSBTR]

Originally posted by 1WickedLude
THIS GOES OUT TO JOHN AND SLEEPERZ:

Before you know what a import is good for, maybe you should consult my spec sheets from DARTON, yes, it is a DART block. Hmmmmmm, Ive put more $$$ into the motor than you guys have put into buying every car youve ever owned. Maybe you should DROP THE CRACK PIPE. PEACE
I don't give a rat's ass how fast your car is; mouthing off to John and Shane like that is pretty freaking stupid.

Consult your spec sheets; I'd wager they're right; the block was probably tested to hold the numbers you're spewing, but not consistently once installed.

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by Talonstylz
Paul, i believe he will run extremely fast times, like faster than an 11.5. The ludosh is insane, simple as that :) Ya mike, get your window fixed and get ur ass to the track!

Well then he needs to get it to the strip since most people always think their car is faster than it is. The fastest Hondas I've seen in the low 12s have generally been stripped out shells. I want to see a streetable Honda run 12s,even 11s.
John's Supra did his low 11 in street trim on drag radials but retained every other creature comfort.

[Chevy454]

And supras suck as drag cars for the power #'s they put down.

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by Chevy454
And supras suck as drag cars for the power #'s they put down.

So how much power to the wheels does a F-body need to run low 11s up here and on street tires?

If John would have been on slicks he might have hit 10s at Bandi. The driver is a big factor as I've seen 800hp Supras run just mid 12s at sea level.

[V8SpankR]

Oh yeah,do it on the stock internals also.

[Ghosty]

Originally posted by V8SpankR
So how much power to the wheels does a F-body need to run low 11s up here and on street tires?

If John would have been on slicks he might have hit 10s at Bandi. The driver is a big factor as I've seen 800hp Supras run just mid 12s at sea level.
True, good Supra drivers (even at Bandi), are hitting high 12's, with around 400rwhp. Another big factor is how tough it is to get our 60-foots under 2.0. Difficult to find that sweet-spot between "sit & spin", or "bogged in lag". Plus the dyno numbers are peak. Big v-8's have all that monster torque down low & mid, and much MORE "Area under the curve", throughout the RPM range. While the Supra's high horsepower is mostly over 4k.

<sigh> Oh well, I STILL LOVE MY DAWG, and wouldn't trade it for "most" domestics. :D

[iburnslabs]

Originally posted by Chevy454
And supras suck as drag cars for the power #'s they put down.

{sigh}... no offense dude but why dont you just goto a domestic board.. you have not said one positive thing whatsoever since youve been on this board, and it kinda sux to have a good discussion then you come out of left field and talk shit or just plain ruin the convo.. jeez man lighten up already

[Chevy454]

Talk shit? it is true you idiot, how many fucking 500+ RWHP supras sun 12's (most to all) they are not fucking drag cars but do lots of other things good.

Why don't you just shove your supra and your supra driver attitude up your ass.

[Chevy454]

Originally posted by V8SpankR
So how much power to the wheels does a F-body need to run low 11s up here and on street tires?

If John would have been on slicks he might have hit 10s at Bandi. The driver is a big factor as I've seen 800hp Supras run just mid 12s at sea level.

http://www.bmrfabrication.com/FeatureCars/Tanner.htm

630rwhhp and runs 9.6 :dunno: and that is the older LT1 and a stick.

The LS1 is faster stock and likes mods better. You could easily run 11's up here on the stock shortblock.

[iburnslabs]

Originally posted by Chevy454
Talk shit? it is true you idiot, how many fucking 500+ RWHP supras sun 12's (most to all) they are not fucking drag cars but do lots of other things good.

Why don't you just shove your supra and your supra driver attitude up your ass.


see this is what im talkin about man, im just here to learn about cars and have some fun, your here to bash on cars and the people who drive them. i mean do you even come to the meets? do you know anybody here? is there a reason why you are here? i dont hate domestics man, i just hate ASSHOLES that drive them and assholes that drive imports, just try and not be so much of a dick all the time. i expect critisism and debate, just try and keep it civil. this post is a bad example your actually not being too much of a dick untill that last post but yea everyone else here knows what im talkin bout. and yes a 380 RWHP supra on drag radials will run 12's out here at altitude.. 500+ RWHP supras will run high to mid 11's on radials or good street tires. thats 10's at sea level. just gettin past that mark is where the supra fails. it takes gobs of power to get one into the low 9's but then again most supras dont get gutted, were talkin bout full wieghted 3500 lb cars. mustangs with a 347 twin turbo setup gutted to all hell all out race car will run high 7's at best a t sea level with the same power output, but i want a 10 sec street car with a/c and full interior. thats why i drive a supra

[Chevy454]

Then tell me where I was wrong or talking shit. :rolleyes: When you talk like that you sound just like an ignorent ricer with a fat wallet.

And show me a 10 second street car supra with a full interior and A/C. Check out that link I posted above that is a street car.

Most supra's 400-600hp will run 12's at like 130mph or somthing stupid like that. They don't make good drag cars but they are still fast as fuck and good for other things. Don't get butt hurt when someone calls it like it is.

[iburnslabs]

Originally posted by Chevy454
Then tell me where I was wrong or talking shit. :rolleyes: When you talk like that you sound just like an ignorent ricer with a fat wallet.

And show me a 10 second street car supra with a full interior and A/C. Check out that link I posted above that is a street car.

Most supra's 400-600hp will run 12's at like 130mph or somthing stupid like that. They don't make good drag cars but they are still fast as fuck and good for other things. Don't get butt hurt when someone calls it like it is.


like i said 500 rwhp supras run 11's out here, thats 10's at sea level, dont belive me? well talk to yoshir that ran an 11.7 on bpu + 100 shot which is bout 500 rwhp, that was on street tires, and talk to praveen once he runs his 11 here soon with the same setup. with drag radials i can run 12's its been done, theres one up here on my setup with a FMIC that ran a 12.5 on radials. so yea there ya go buddy keep on talkin shit cause you dont know what yer talking about. or maybe you just think that we should take the #'s from the people who dont know how to drive their supras. which as you said in another thread a 13 sec car can be a 15 sec car with a stupid driver.

[iburnslabs]

so you still havent answered my question.. why are you on this board? not being a dick here, im serious. are you friends with anyone here? do we know you? like i said im not here to start shit, why dont you just start fresh by telling us who you are what you drive what times you run if you run 1/4 mile etc...

[iburnslabs]

or you can just continue to be a domestic ricer/ import hater.. thats what i expect but lets give ya a shot to be friendly for once.

[Chevy454]

Where have i shown any hate for imports you ignorent tard? I hate all stupid people equal.

[taikahn]

Originally posted by Chevy454
Where have i shown any hate for imports you ignorent tard? I hate all stupid people equal.

Ahem! Isn't it ignorant, NOT ignorent.

also that stupid "beat by a chinese boosted graphic" --- FOR GODS SAKE PEOPLE ITS A JAPANESE CAR NOT A FUCKING CHINESE CAR!!!!


What a pathetic thread, complete waste of my time. I am done now.
:guns:

[BoarderAJAX]

I have seen more supras run 9's then any chevy shitboxes

Mike

[Chevy454]

Then you must race in ricer heaven. 9-second chevys and turbo Buicks out number 9-second supras beyond belief.

[iburnslabs]

ok so obviously you dont want to be nice, i tried once but yea you dont even want to tell us anything about you so i ask again WHY ARE YOU HERE? im trying to be civil here dude why dont you be a non-conflicting human for one second and stop being an asshole. i really do not understand why you post on here except for the fact that you want to cause conflict for no reason. imean you havent even told us what you drive, youve never spoken of anything of any importace. so bottom line is that you obviously have absolutely no life because you lurk on a board that you dont have any friends on, you probobly dont even have a nice domestic because i assume you would be out driving it instead of wasting your life talking on this board. why dont you go make some friends or something dude? or maybe im wrong maybe you arent a huge asshole, well if your not some stupid loud mouth angry domestic driver then why dont you stop acting like one and try and make some friends here instead of causing conflict? myself like most of the people on the board are open to hear about anything, like maybe some kills youve had or who knows, regaurdless if you do drive a domestic, so yea stop being a troll and be a part of the board or get the fuck out

[Chevy454]

I have friends here :rolleyes:
My car = none of your buisness
And who are you to question who comes to this board, why are you here?

[iburnslabs]

so who are your friends? i dont see anybody here that likes you or admits to knowing you?

and yea once again you have proved your ignorance .


ahhh you are not worth my time, keep on trolling and waste your pathetic life by jerkin off on yer keyboard and wishing you had something in your garage, and your pants.

[ericjames]

Originally posted by Chevy454
I have friends here :rolleyes:
My car = none of your buisness
And who are you to question who comes to this board, why are you here?

Your a tool!:o

[Chevy454]

Originally posted by iburnslabs
so who are your friends? i dont see anybody here that likes you or admits to knowing you?

and yea once again you have proved your ignorance .


ahhh you are not worth my time, keep on trolling and waste your pathetic life by jerkin off on yer keyboard and wishing you had something in your garage, and your pants.

So why do you come to this board? :confused: why done you just stay on supraforums?

[iburnslabs]

Originally posted by Chevy454
I am Gay

yes, yes you are

[Chevy454]

How did you know! Want to make sex? That would be *~FABULOUS!~*

[Talonstylz]

Originally posted by Chevy454
I have friends here :rolleyes:
My car = none of your buisness
And who are you to question who comes to this board, why are you here?

You must be the most thick headed person ive ever seen. Maybe if you would read what he's saying you would have an answer to your why are you here question. He already stated that. But a good question still is why the fuck are you here?? Damn near every post ive seen you make has been pointless. Yea sure when you first joined it was nice having a retard troll to make us laugh, but now its just annoying. And whats the big deal about sayin what car you have? Even if its a broke down pile of shit thats fine, weve all owned one of those, just start bein somewhat "knowledgable" and not such a dickhead in your posts and maybe you wont get flamed so much.

[BoarderAJAX]

You know you talk a lot of shit over the internet, sounds like a closed case of all talk, no walk

[Talonstylz]

who me?

[b18cya-T]

no, the chevy tool

[Talonstylz]

ah, yes i would have to agree

[Chevy454]

Originally posted by BoarderAJAX
You know you talk a lot of shit over the internet, sounds like a closed case of all talk, no walk

the Jiffylube guy is right! ;)

[LeonZ]

http://photos.imageevent.com/leonz/misc/websize/domestic.bmp.jpg

[Chevy454]

It is only an argument if I am not correct, which I always am so no biggie. :)

[thiazole]

Man, I just don't understand what the big deal is between domestic owners and import owners. I've owned several of both, so maybe I just haven't had a chance to grow hatred toward the other. To me it is just dumbass stuff. Here is the deal... import owners think domestic owners are a bunch of redneck stupid ass hillbillies and domestic owners think import owners are a bunch of rich brat, daddy buys me whatever I want stupid ass ricers. Some domestic owners fit that profile and some import owners fit their stereotype. I think the deal is that when I was in high school, hardly anyone raced import cars so I never experienced the ricer stereotype. We had hillbilly rednecks that had race cars... in fact I got my ass kicked hard by one. I could never understand how someone so stupid could build a car so fast (we raced at Julesburg dragway - I ran 12.6 and he ran 10.8). But the dipshits that no self respecting automobile owner would like drove around in these butt fucking ugly late 70's hot rod wannabe POS jacked up in the back fat ass tires hanging out the sides, yet wouldn't race anyone if you paid them because their cars were slow as fuck! Why can't we stop caring if someone drives an import or domestic and bash on those dumb fucks? :guns:

[Brian]

Originally posted by thiazole
Man, I just don't understand what the big deal is between domestic owners and import owners. I've owned several of both, so maybe I just haven't had a chance to grow hatred toward the other. To me it is just dumbass stuff. Here is the deal... import owners think domestic owners are a bunch of redneck stupid ass hillbillies and domestic owners think import owners are a bunch of rich brat, daddy buys me whatever I want stupid ass ricers. Some domestic owners fit that profile and some import owners fit their stereotype. I think the deal is that when I was in high school, hardly anyone raced import cars so I never experienced the ricer stereotype. We had hillbilly rednecks that had race cars... in fact I got my ass kicked hard by one. I could never understand how someone so stupid could build a car so fast (we raced at Julesburg dragway - I ran 12.6 and he ran 10.8). But the dipshits that no self respecting automobile owner would like drove around in these butt fucking ugly late 70's hot rod wannabe POS jacked up in the back fat ass tires hanging out the sides, yet wouldn't race anyone if you paid them because their cars were slow as fuck! Why can't we stop caring if someone drives an import or domestic and bash on those dumb fucks? :guns:

amen brother, amen :)

[stu]

Originally posted by thiazole
Man, I just don't understand what the big deal is between domestic owners and import owners. I've owned several of both, so maybe I just haven't had a chance to grow hatred toward the other. To me it is just dumbass stuff. Here is the deal... import owners think domestic owners are a bunch of redneck stupid ass hillbillies and domestic owners think import owners are a bunch of rich brat, daddy buys me whatever I want stupid ass ricers. Some domestic owners fit that profile and some import owners fit their stereotype. I think the deal is that when I was in high school, hardly anyone raced import cars so I never experienced the ricer stereotype. We had hillbilly rednecks that had race cars... in fact I got my ass kicked hard by one. I could never understand how someone so stupid could build a car so fast (we raced at Julesburg dragway - I ran 12.6 and he ran 10.8). But the dipshits that no self respecting automobile owner would like drove around in these butt fucking ugly late 70's hot rod wannabe POS jacked up in the back fat ass tires hanging out the sides, yet wouldn't race anyone if you paid them because their cars were slow as fuck! Why can't we stop caring if someone drives an import or domestic and bash on those dumb fucks? :guns:

Well thanks for breaking down the obvious.

Kostas, I think you took the "Supras aren't drag cars" the wrong way because we all know that's true. I don't think he was trying to be a dick.

Chevy, in this very post someone mentioned that John ran in the 11's with his Supra with full interior and all the accessories, with 10's possible given the right tires for the job.

WickedLude, You really make yourself sound stupid when you run around talking shit to people who have forgotten more about cars than you know. The "I spent more money on my car (that ran a 15) than you have on all the cars you've ever owned," cracked me up though. Good one.

[BoostAngel]

Um ... poor Steve! :D


"Want to make sex?" Hahaha ...

[Violator]

Steve Fodge is a t00l! I think he needs four more cylinders to make beat Mikes Lude.

[thiazole]

Here is the deal for me. I built a 67 Chevelle about 10 years ago. I didn't have much money to spend, and all I cared about was getting through the 1/4 fast. Streetability, mileage, fuel requirements, traction, etc were all nonissues, since all could be addressed on the track with items that weren't street legal (race fuel, slicks, etc). The engine I chose was a 427 and I put about $2000 into the car and was running 12's. On the other hand, I spent 100s of hours building the the car and engine, I needed 99 octane or better to prevent knocking, I got 4mpg in town, 6 on the highway (combine the two and a 20gal tank of gas was EXPENSIVE), I could smoke the tires doing 40mph (ie, no traction without slicks), and if I tried to take a corner fast, I would have crashed. My gears were also so damn low that I didn't want to drive it more than 60mph for more than 5 or 10 miles. It was a huge pain in my ass on the street. On the other hand, right now I am building a 95 Talon TSI AWD. I am getting ready to install an FP-BigT28 turbo which should put me in the 13's. All in all, to prepare the car for the turbo and the turbo itself totals at about $4000 above what I paid for the car. If we stopped there, the Chevelle seems better. Here's why we are comparing apples to oranges. My Talon gets about 20mpg, burns premium gas, gets great traction on street tires (being AWD), I never had to tear the engine open to get it where it is (and therefore the time and effort has been less), and I can take a 90 degree corner at 40mph without even breaking the tires loose. Who is to say one is better than the other? I like them both. They serve VERY different purposes, though. That is the difference. I don't know this Steve guy, but if he is half as bad as you guys say, then he is a loser. I've known a dozen people just like him. Reminds me of a kid in highschool with his "10 second" 6 banger 86 camaro. That POS didn't even run a 10 second 1/8 mile. Hell, maybe 10 second 330'. Best think to do to people like that is to take their title. Then they shut the hell up.

[b18cya-T]

agreed!

nice automotive history as well!

[Ghosty]

I second that! Very nice explanation. If I had tons of money, I'd have both a newer Import sportscar, as well as a late 60's American muscle-car. Two different deals for different days or moods. Heheh.

[stu]

I don't think I'd ever buy an old car unless it was like a Beetle or something. I don't know why, but I've never ever liked old cars for as long as I can remember.

[V8SpankR]

I like '68 Camaros,'69 Mustangs,most Chevelles,'67-'71 Vettes,'70-'72 Barracudas/Challengers and some GTOs were pretty sweet so I would own any of those but I am spoiled by modern conveniences and technology.

[thiazole]

V8SpankR,

I agree with that. While you have to understand engine theory better to make an import run, you don't have to physically work as hard. I rebuilt my 427 twice and the port-work I did took me forever, but the combinations required were simple. It was easy to determine a logical combination of parts. With the import, I realized just how complicated engine theory is and they have many more variables to consider, but if you understand them, you can get an engine to run with much less effort. I just like the fact that if I want to drive to a sea level track and see how my car runs, it would be no problem. I never had a truck to pull my Chevelle, so I had to drive it everywhere. That limited me to where I could race. I'm going to Bandi tomorrow (Wednesday) to race my T25 turbo for the last time before I put the FP-BigT28 on. I'll be in a Silver 96 Talon TSI AWD (sorry, I brainfarted and said 95 in a previous post... maybe because I just switched all my 96 ECU stuff over to 95 for DSMLink) if anyone is up there. I really want that POS turbo to run 14s before I do the swap:D

[stu]

One thing about old cars is the total lack of computers and emissions equipment. I forgot to mention that to my girlfriend when she asked why only the old cars were fast.

[V8SpankR]

One of the best modern imports and easiest to squeeze horsepower out of is the '93+ turbo Supra 3 liter.
John on this board dynoed about 430whp with just a bigger turbo back exhaust,intake and manual boost controller;that was up from about 285whp stock. So,what's that cost? I'm guessing no more than about $1200? I know i'm close.

Plus the 3.0 is good for over 700 crank horse on the stock internals.
Pretty stout motor Toyota made back then.

[b18cya-T]

Originally posted by V8SpankR
One of the best modern imports and easiest to squeeze horsepower out of is the '93+ turbo Supra 3 liter.
John on this board dynoed about 430whp with just a bigger turbo back exhaust,intake and manual boost controller;that was up from about 285whp stock. So,what's that cost? I'm guessing no more than about $1200? I know i'm close.

Plus the 3.0 is good for over 700 crank horse on the stock internals.
Pretty stout motor Toyota made back then.

HELL YEA! ph34r the s00pra

[Chevy454]

High HP supras are over priced dyno queens for the most part.

3S-GTE is where it is at!

[TheGreatPrelosh]

I'll have to disagree. The Supra is like a classic car. Its worth what someone will pay for it. Its not like a Cavalier, where there are millions of them running around on US streets. I own a 1997 Nissan Skyline among my other toys. There are not even 100 registered in the states right now. Its an inline 6, just like the Supra. It was built for high-horsepower applications. So, now tell me, what is the difference between a 540ci blown Merlin racing motor putting out 1000 whp on the dyno, opposed to a I6 Supra or Skyline putting 1000 whp on the dyno? THERE IS NONE. HORSEPOWER IS HORSEPOWER. ARE YOU GONNA ARGUE THAT CHEVY454. Tool!!! :guns:

[V8SpankR]

Only about 7000 TT Supras were imported into the states and 4000 of those were 6 speeds so they are kinda rare.

[Stangfreek]

Originally posted by TheGreatPrelosh
So, now tell me, what is the difference between a 540ci blown Merlin racing motor putting out 1000 whp on the dyno, opposed to a I6 Supra or Skyline putting 1000 whp on the dyno? THERE IS NONE. HORSEPOWER IS HORSEPOWER. ARE YOU GONNA ARGUE THAT CHEVY454. Tool!!! :guns:

I'm sure I will get little respect here, because of my screen name, but I logged in just to reply to this. Yes horsepower is horsepower, but the difference in the example you used is immense. Given all your toys, you should know this. It's called power under the curve. Speed and performance is produced from average horsepower over a given powerband. Supras are dyno queens because they have a relatively narrow powerband, that is peaky to boot. Yes, the Supra motor is very strong, and impressive, but it will not produce the times that it's numbers might indicate, because they make no power under the curve. Larger displacement motors inherently make tons of power under the curve, that's why they can produce better times with less peak power.

[Chevy454]

Originally posted by TheGreatPrelosh
So, now tell me, what is the difference between a 540ci blown Merlin racing motor putting out 1000 whp on the dyno, opposed to a I6 Supra or Skyline putting 1000 whp on the dyno? THERE IS NONE. HORSEPOWER IS HORSEPOWER. ARE YOU GONNA ARGUE THAT CHEVY454. Tool!!! :guns:

Because a Camaro with that engine would kick the supras shit at the racetrack ass muncher.

And torqe and power under the curve is what is important, not how much power you can put out at the redline.

[Talonstylz]

a 1000hp supra would own a 1000hp camaro in a highway run ;)

[stu]

Stangfreek, your far more likely to not get repsect when you assume that everyone here is just some ricer tool who thinks domestics are crap, then you would because of your screen name. Welcome to the club.

[Stangfreek]

Originally posted by stu
Stangfreek, your far more likely to not get repsect when you assume that everyone here is just some ricer tool who thinks domestics are crap, then you would because of your screen name. Welcome to the club.


I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about ricers in my post. From the little I've seen on this board, there's not a whole lot of rice going on here. I have nothing against imports, I've owned and worked on a few, I just happen to mainly be a Stang guy. Always loved them. In fact, the guys I know with fast imports hate rice more than the domestic guys, and believe me, I hate those kids with stock Mustangs thinking their hot shit just because the car is loud.....


;)

[Stangfreek]

Originally posted by Talonstylz
a 1000hp supra would own a 1000hp camaro in a highway run ;)


Supras own the freewayz yo.

[b18cya-T]

Originally posted by Stangfreek
I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about ricers in my post. From the little I've seen on this board, there's not a whole lot of rice going on here. I have nothing against imports, I've owned and worked on a few, I just happen to mainly be a Stang guy. Always loved them. In fact, the guys I know with fast imports hate rice more than the domestic guys, and believe me, I hate those kids with stock Mustangs thinking their hot shit just because the car is loud.....


;) :cheers:

[b18cya-T]

yes, in all actuality, there is no replacement for displacement. FI & nitrous are all just a substitute to make more power, AKA: power adders. & yes, i do see a lot more v8's hitting 10's & lower consistantly simply because they have mor to work with.

but i will say that most domestic v8's are very outdated.

look what technology can do for a v8. theres a guy that shows up to the thornton meets with a ZR-1 corvette (Like a 91). thats a standard corvette motor, but with 4-valve per cylinder heads...

& that thing makes CRAZY power...12's up here...

[Chevy454]

You can build up one of these "outdated" pushrod LS1's to run 10's or 11's for a few thousand dollers. And that is NA btw.

[b18cya-T]

the new ls1's are still pushrods??

i thought they were dohc...

[V8SpankR]

Nope,still pushrods;Chevy is still getting a lot out of a very old design.

[Stangfreek]

Originally posted by b18cya-T
the new ls1's are still pushrods??

i thought they were dohc...


still pushrods.

and as far as outdated goes, I guess that's an opinion. OHC is a better platform for reliability and spinning rpms, but the pony cars main focus has been torque and low end grunt, and a pushrod motor will always supply more of that than a OHC car. So yeah, maybe they're outdated from the standpoint of newer technology, but for what they've been designed for, they are exactly what was expected. Now of course, that's all changing, so it doesn't really matter anyway, right?

I'm happy with my ~500hp on an old pushrod motor, but that's just me. :D

[b18cya-T]

Originally posted by Stangfreek
still pushrods.

and as far as outdated goes, I guess that's an opinion. OHC is a better platform for reliability and spinning rpms, but the pony cars main focus has been torque and low end grunt, and a pushrod motor will always supply more of that than a OHC car. So yeah, maybe they're outdated from the standpoint of newer technology, but for what they've been designed for, they are exactly what was expected. Now of course, that's all changing, so it doesn't really matter anyway, right?

I'm happy with my ~500hp on an old pushrod motor, but that's just me. :D

how would a pushrod be better at that?

a dohc V8 w/ variable cam timing would 0wn any pushrod motor...& it would probably be able to idle too

[Stangfreek]

Originally posted by b18cya-T
how would a pushrod be better at that?

a dohc V8 w/ variable cam timing would 0wn any pushrod motor...& it would probably be able to idle too


I shouldn't have said inherently, what I mean is that since an OHC motors major benefit is it's ability to make high end power, and do it much more smoothly, they aren't designed for low end grunt, unless they have a power adder. My point was, the pony cars in the past were sold to drivers who were attracted to the feeling that low end torque provides, and the pushrod motors supplied that in spades, the manufacturers involved saw no reason to switch their whole motor programs to a OHC setup, until Ford did in 1996.

But given the aftermarket, big power is still solidly on the side of pushrod motors, so they may be outdated, but that doesn't mean they're worse from a performance standpoint.

[stu]

Stangfreek, you sir are very well spoken, welcome to the club. :)

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[thiazole]

Yeah, again we end with apples and oranges. I loved the fact that even though my chevy only ran 12's that it could pull a small wheely with slicks... I also love the feeling of a turbo car that can continue to pull hard through the 2nd half of the RPM band. I just like turbos - adjustable, always on, good mileage, very streetable. The reality is that domestic manufacturers will continue to make outdated V8s or they will switch to higher tech V6s and 4 bangers. I don't see them making an OHC turbo V8 (in an affordable car), since the cry babies won't like such a powerful engine. The reality is that it is still more practical for domestics to compete with the older engines than to design a bunch of new high tech turbo 4s and 6s and deal with all the problems associated with a new engine like that. I think that they will eventually switch over though.

[Stangfreek]

Well they have made a supercharged DOHC V8. It makes OK power. ;)


I love turbos too, that's why I put a couple on my V8.

[BoarderAJAX]

I just like the idea of someone taking a 4 cylinder 1997cc, 126ci motor, and running a 9.27@156mph, on top of that still keeping it registered in the state of ohio.


Mike

[b18cya-T]

Originally posted by stu
Stangfreek, you sir are very well spoken, welcome to the club. :)

:werd:

[Chevy454]

Originally posted by b18cya-T
how would a pushrod be better at that?

a dohc V8 w/ variable cam timing would 0wn any pushrod motor...& it would probably be able to idle too

Look into BMW's double Vanos technology. It constantly varies valve timing at all RPM's with a computer, unlike Honda and other companies where it switches cams.

It's hot shit!

[b18cya-T]

Originally posted by Chevy454
Look into BMW's double Vanos technology. It constantly varies valve timing at all RPM's with a computer, unlike Honda and other companies where it switches cams.

It's hot shit!

the new i-vtec motor has the hi & low rev cam lobes, as well as variable cam timing through an oil actuated cam gear. its a pretty cool system. the motor on the new celica GTS has a similar system.

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by BoarderAJAX
I just like the idea of someone taking a 4 cylinder 1997cc, 126ci motor, and running a 9.27@156mph, on top of that still keeping it registered in the state of ohio.


Mike

Yep,John Shepherd's car is pretty badass and still maintains most of the factory interior (door panels,dash,carpeting) and full factory glass.
Has a street legal look but it wouldn't be very comfortable to drive on the street since it's minus it's power steering and it can only be driven on rainfree days only if it saw the street.

[thiazole]

I thought of an "outdated" item on domestics that I like better - TIMING CHAINS. Yeah, I know belts give more precise cam timing, but belts suck. Just found out I skipped some teeth on my Mazda (its been sitting in my drive for the past month or so while I've been trying to figure out why the hell it doesn't run anymore). Anyway, my Olds has 180,000 miles and still has the factory chain. I'm not saying I like reliability better than performance, but I just don't think there is THAT much performance gain in a belt over a chain to warrent using them in normal daily driver type cars like my 626. Can't think of much else on domestic engine design that I like better, though.

[Chevy454]

how about the lack of low end torqe?

chains are ok, but they can also skip teath, and at 180k mi it is going to be stretched to shit.

[thiazole]

Actually, strangely enough, my Olds is a torque monster. Only has a 3L V6, but it will roast the tires - no guts after 3000 rpm though. My Mazda, with a 2.5L V6 will barely bark the tires, but has quite a bit more power after 4500 rpm. (I'm sure it has nothing to do with belts or chains, but just saying you don't need a belt to get good torque on a V6). I used my digital camera and filmed the speedometers of both cars from 0-60, and replayed them side by side on my computer, and while my Olds jumps to a quick lead, the 626 hits 60 way before the Olds does.

[CSMsi311]

Isn't the "torquey-feel" largely effected by the gearing. If i geared my civic low enough it would feel very torquey.

Speaking of sweet new technology. How about Saab's variable COMPRESSION engine?

BMW is also working on an engine that controls the "throttle" with the valves, no more throttle body and a lot less parasitic losses (unfortunately, i forgot the type of loss has something to do with the vacuum created in the intake manifold)

[Chevy454]

That is Double Vanos. It can open them enough to idle if it wanted.

But now when they use it they have a "fly by wire" throttle body still.

[CSMsi311]

I just read up on double vanos. we are thinking of two different things. Last I read in car and driver or one of those mags, was that they were still developing the system. They only had it on a 1.8L engine.

Double Vanos is a more advanced VTEC.

[Stangfreek]

Originally posted by CSMsi311
Isn't the "torquey-feel" largely effected by the gearing. If i geared my civic low enough it would feel very torquey.


Not necessarily. You are still bound by the amount of torque that the engine produces. You're Honda is actually already geared pretty damn low due to the lack of low end torque. This allows the motor to rev quicker, which gets you to the usable torque range quicker.