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Violator
05-12-2003, 01:11 AM
Me and Talonstylz where on the way to get his car today, cruising up I70 east we saw a mustang with a kit. I tryed to play with him a few times, then he finally bit and we took off from a 70+ roll. I hung with him the whole time, unfortunetly we where cut short due to the CO state patrol going west flipped their lights on and kept going. Had to stop and pull over to make sure we didnt get pulled over, it turns out it was a true saleen, he didnt have the supercharger on it yet however. He said he dyno'd around 320 horse, and it ran a 13.2 on slicks. I cant wait to see what this car can do at Bandimere, it should be alittle faster when the head is in better shape.
exciv2000
05-12-2003, 01:25 AM
nice kill! :Beer:
RiceBurner00
05-12-2003, 06:16 AM
cool, I love Saleens
Talonstylz
05-12-2003, 10:17 AM
i dont know who was more surprised with that one, him or us when we found out it was a true saleen. Finally got my baby back and damn it feels good :D
ryanman
05-12-2003, 10:24 AM
Damn that must mean that I could pull the Saleen pretty good then.
V8SpankR
05-12-2003, 10:38 AM
I doubt that the NA versions of Saleens run low 13s at Bandi,I think the S281s are only good for low 13s at sea level. Is he runnin' NO2?
Palespider
05-12-2003, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by V8SpankR
I doubt that the NA versions of Saleens run low 13s at Bandi,I think the S281s are only good for low 13s at sea level. Is he runnin' NO2?

I don't doubt it for a minute, since stock LS1's can run mid 13's with slicks and a 1.8 60ft at Bandimere.

Jim
RiceBurner00
05-12-2003, 11:54 AM
but the saleen didnt have the supercharger on it
Violator
05-12-2003, 11:57 AM
I know he had cams, intake, and exhaust on his saleen. He claimed to dyno 320, either way it was a very nice car. Pretty cool guy though.
Palespider
05-12-2003, 11:59 AM
He said it dyno'd at 320hp, and LS1's put down 280-300 at the wheels at altitude.

Jim
69stang
05-12-2003, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by V8SpankR
I doubt that the NA versions of Saleens run low 13s at Bandi,I think the S281s are only good for low 13s at sea level. Is he runnin' NO2?

I would have to agree with that one, I have driven the supercharged version and it will run a low 13 but not an NA.
BluByU
05-12-2003, 12:17 PM
Nice kill!
V8SpankR
05-12-2003, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by Palespider
I don't doubt it for a minute, since stock LS1's can run mid 13's with slicks and a 1.8 60ft at Bandimere.

Jim

So a stock LS1 benefits a full second from slicks? I guess they're worth it then.

The best I've seen from a showroom stock LS1 Fbody was a 14.3 but most struggle to even run 14.5s.
jojo
05-12-2003, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by Palespider
He said it dyno'd at 320hp, and LS1's put down 280-300 at the wheels at altitude.

Jim

Remember that 320 corrected rwhp = 266 actual rwhp up here. You're only as fast as your actual hp.
Palespider
05-12-2003, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by jojo
Remember that 320 corrected rwhp = 266 actual rwhp up here. You're only as fast as your actual hp.

This was up here, at Dynopro actually. Depends on the model of LS1 though. A 2002 TA was dyno'd at 290 at the wheels.
Palespider
05-12-2003, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by V8SpankR
So a stock LS1 benefits a full second from slicks? I guess they're worth it then.

The best I've seen from a showroom stock LS1 Fbody was a 14.3 but most struggle to even run 14.5s.

Look at the trap speeds they run. 97-100mph stock (at Bandi) which is more than enough for a mid 13. They just need a decent launch. A 2.2+ 60ft. could easily add .8+ seconds to their ET.
Thus why most run 14's.
jojo
05-12-2003, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by Palespider
This was up here, at Dynopro actually. Depends on the model of LS1 though. A 2002 TA was dyno'd at 290 at the wheels.

Right. Dynopro spits out SAE hp (also known as corrected HP) the correction factor up here is generally around 1.20. You have to factor that back out to get to the amount of actual, honest hp available to accelerate the car up here.
ryanman
05-12-2003, 04:47 PM
Whatever your "corrected" numbers are, subtract 20% and you'll have your actual HP numbers for this altitude.
Palespider
05-12-2003, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by ryanman
Whatever your "corrected" numbers are, subtract 20% and you'll have your actual HP numbers for this altitude.

Actual or corrected hp doesn't matter in what I'm saying. And dyno numbers have proven to be nothing more than a base for comparison or a tuning tool.
I'm just comparing the Saleen to an LS1. If the Saleen did in fact dyno 320hp, it is *possible* that it can run low 13's. But, it does depend on where it was dyno'd and what type of dyno it was on.

Jim
jojo
05-12-2003, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by Palespider
Actual or corrected hp doesn't matter in what I'm saying. And dyno numbers have proven to be nothing more than a base for comparison or a tuning tool.
I'm just comparing the Saleen to an LS1. If the Saleen did in fact dyno 320hp, it is *possible* that it can run low 13's. But, it does depend on where it was dyno'd and what type of dyno it was on.

Jim

If it dynoed at 320 hp up here it's really only making 266hp. You should be asking whether 266rwhp enough to run a 13. Throw the 320hp number away. It's meaningless.
ryanman
05-12-2003, 08:33 PM
266rwhp in a stang = 14's.
Palespider
05-12-2003, 09:03 PM
What does it matter what the actual hp is? I'm just using these numbers for comparison. I recently saw an artical on the 350Z where it dyno'd 6 different hp numbers across 6 different dynos. A difference at big as 40hp! Evidence that anyone trying to get actual hp numbers from a dyno is wasting their time.

Well anyway, that means a stock LS1 puts 230 (give or take 40hp) to the wheels. And it still runs 98-100mph trap speeds which is capable of mid 13's with a good launch, so the Saleen would *possibly* be capable of similar times. That is of course if he had what he said he did.

And an ET doesn't say as much about horsepower as the trap speed. I knew a Supercharged '97 GT that ran 15.5's at 101mph. What's the difference here you say? He couldn't launch for shit.

Jim
ryanman
05-12-2003, 09:08 PM
Different dyno's = Different numbers.
Palespider
05-12-2003, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by ryanman
Different dyno's = Different numbers.

Just my point, that there are so many variables at determining hp from a dyno there is no need to do any *correcting*.

You're possibly just *correcting* an incorrect number.

Jim
jojo
05-12-2003, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Palespider
Just my point, that there are so many variables at determining hp from a dyno there is no need to do any *correcting*.



Then why do you keep working from corrected numbers. I'm the one that's saying throw out the correction factor. I have a sneaking suspicion that you aren't quite sure what a correction factor is and what it's supposed to be correcting for.
Palespider
05-12-2003, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by jojo
Then why do you keep working from corrected numbers. I'm the one that's saying throw out the correction factor. I have a sneaking suspicion that you aren't quite sure what a correction factor is and what it's supposed to be correcting for.

Yes, you're saying that the correction factor isn't giving real HP #'s for this altitude. But, if dyno's are so unreliable for real hp anyway, what's the point?

And it's about 2% loss per 1000ft. for a FI car, and about twice that for a NA.

Jim
jojo
05-12-2003, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by Palespider
Yes, you're saying that the correction factor isn't giving real HP #'s for this altitude. But, if dyno's are so unreliable for real hp anyway, what's the point?
Jim

Ok I see what you're saying now. Yes dynos are wildly inaccurate. And much like operating systems, the most popular brand is the worst. People think their output is gospel. If they only knew how bad some were.