zx9-r

[oldskoolracer]

i have a 98' zx9-r and i've smoked two r1's and a couple of
929's . i've been looking at the new zx6-r (636) to be exact
and the r6 they're both badass bikes but i can't make up my mind
any suggestions??:D

[schnapsnase]

Originally posted by oldskoolracer
i have a 98' zx9-r and i've smoked two r1's and a couple of
929's . i've been looking at the new zx6-r (636) to be exact
and the r6 they're both badass bikes but i can't make up my mind
any suggestions??:D

I have a 2001 ZX7R(one of the last ones they did), I myself would always go with the Kawa, the engines are just unbreakable and the handling is great without any need for mods, before this I have pretty much always had Kawas, the ZX6 is a babe of a bike, but depending how big you are(height etc) they can look small??. Is it true that in the states they restrict the output of superbikes ?? just something that I heard ?

[Shadow_Falcon]

Only in California do they restrict the output of (most) bikes.
The extra 2 lbs comes from (I believe, not exactly sure) a catalytic converter put onto the exhaust system to keep the bike good for emissions, which, in turn, not only makes the bike 2 lbs heavier, but restricts the exhaust flow and therefore robs power.

As far as the two bikes go, both are extremely good bikes, the ZX6R producing more hp than any of its other 600 cc brethern, and the R6 is an equally good bike, being the lightest of the 600cc class, and making good power to boot. What are you planning on using the bike for, twisties or straight line?

[schnapsnase]

Originally posted by Shadow_Falcon
Only in California do they restrict the output of (most) bikes.
The extra 2 lbs comes from (I believe, not exactly sure) a catalytic converter put onto the exhaust system to keep the bike good for emissions, which, in turn, not only makes the bike 2 lbs heavier, but restricts the exhaust flow and therefore robs power.

As far as the two bikes go, both are extremely good bikes, the ZX6R producing more hp than any of its other 600 cc brethern, and the R6 is an equally good bike, being the lightest of the 600cc class, and making good power to boot. What are you planning on using the bike for, twisties or straight line?

I don't think that a Cat should make any difference, My bike too has a Cat but still pushes 132 bhp, normally grey imports to the UK and the rest of Europe are restricted via either and electrical restrictor or via the carbs.
Although without the Cat I know I would have another 12hp, but that really would make not a shit load of difference.
Thanks for the info, I was planning a Motorcycle holiday in the States, now I know not to get a bike from California.

[Shadow_Falcon]

It kinda does...making more backpressure usually isn't a good thing. You may gain some torque, only because the crank has to push that much harder to get that exhaust out ;)

[jontflesh]

The new Kawi has put in some great technology this year.
Just to name a few
Inverted forks (First 600 with Inverted Forks)---OH MY!!!
Uni-Track rear suspension
Radial mounted 4 pot brakes..... YUMMY!!


That would be my bike of choice if I could afford insurance on another sportbike.
The bike is just stunning and I really dig the GP look. I am not a Kwai man in the least but this bike is bonerific IMO



Flesh

[schnapsnase]

Originally posted by jontflesh
The new Kawi has put in some great technology this year.
Just to name a few
Inverted forks (First 600 with Inverted Forks)---OH MY!!!
Uni-Track rear suspension
Radial mounted 4 pot brakes..... YUMMY!!


That would be my bike of choice if I could afford insurance on another sportbike.
The bike is just stunning and I really dig the GP look. I am not a Kwai man in the least but this bike is bonerific IMO

Kawa always had inverted forks, not just the 600 but across the range of either supersports or sport cruisers, for example the ZZR600 also, and that is an old bike by todays standards, as far as I know, alot of people slag Kawas, but maybe I have just had good luck with them, but I still do not know many people who have spent alot of time in the shop or had too much trouble with them, bloody good value for money



Flesh

[Chevy454]

Originally posted by Shadow_Falcon
It kinda does...making more backpressure usually isn't a good thing. You may gain some torque, only because the crank has to push that much harder to get that exhaust out ;)


;UgH:

Just keep your mouth shut about how engines work from now on/

Kthxbye

[schnapsnase]

Originally posted by oldskoolracer
i have a 98' zx9-r and i've smoked two r1's and a couple of
929's . i've been looking at the new zx6-r (636) to be exact
and the r6 they're both badass bikes but i can't make up my mind
any suggestions??:D

just as a point of interest, 94hatch is selling a R6, looks pretty from the pics, I told him, but as it seems this site is only for people who live in your neck of the woods, no one pays a fucking bit of notice, except when there are fucking chicken wings involved.
Thought you may like to know anyway.

[jontflesh]

Originally posted by schnapsnase
Kawa always had inverted forks, not just the 600 but across the range of either supersports or sport cruisers, for example the ZZR600 also, and that is an old bike by todays standards, as far as I know, alot of people slag Kawas, but maybe I have just had good luck with them, but I still do not know many people who have spent alot of time in the shop or had too much trouble with them, bloody good value for money

Actually they have not had inverted forks on the 600's until now. It is the first 600 to offer inverted forks.
Here is a 1999 ZX6R
http://www.mtv411.com/motorcycle/pictures/kawasaki/ninja-zx-6r.htm

46mm, Fully-Adjustable, Conventional Cartridge-Type, Front Fork

12-way rebound and compression damping adjustments with threaded spring preload adjusters
Aluminum lower triple clamp to reduce weight and improve handling


Conventional forks are not inverted. Most 600's in the past would not offer them because of weight issues and cost's.
Even the ZZR1200 shows "Suspension, front: Cartridge-style fork with preload adjustment"

Not trying to start an argument or highjack the thread at all just stating what I have learned over the years. If you have other info please let me know :)

Cheers!

Flesh

[schnapsnase]

Originally posted by jontflesh
Actually they have not had inverted forks on the 600's until now. It is the first 600 to offer inverted forks.
Here is a 1999 ZX6R
http://www.mtv411.com/motorcycle/pictures/kawasaki/ninja-zx-6r.htm

46mm, Fully-Adjustable, Conventional Cartridge-Type, Front Fork

12-way rebound and compression damping adjustments with threaded spring preload adjusters
Aluminum lower triple clamp to reduce weight and improve handling


Conventional forks are not inverted. Most 600's in the past would not offer them because of weight issues and cost's.
Even the ZZR1200 shows "Suspension, front: Cartridge-style fork with preload adjustment"

Not trying to start an argument or highjack the thread at all just stating what I have learned over the years. If you have other info please let me know :)

Cheers!

Flesh

yes, I do have other info, and no problem, this is what it is all about, maybe it is different in the states?? not sure, but in europe that is a standard feature, and has been for some time now, this is why I also asked about any restriction, because our bikes seem tohave higher hp, but as you pointed out, that is only per state.but I still think there is a big difference.allround

[jontflesh]

Originally posted by schnapsnase
because our bikes seem tohave higher hp, but as you pointed out, that is only per state.but I still think there is a big difference.allround

Try bringing your bike out to Colorado and go up to 10,000 feet above sea-level and watch your HP drop bigtime because of the minimal oxygen compared to sea level. lol :D


Flesh

[schnapsnase]

Originally posted by jontflesh
Try bringing your bike out to Colorado and go up to 10,000 feet above sea-level and watch your HP drop bigtime because of the minimal oxygen compared to sea level. lol :D


Flesh

hey, fuck, I know that makesma difference, I lived in South Africa, and that made a hell of a change,the damn thing would hardly move, I know what you mean .

[Maverick]

Like shnapsnase said I have an R6 for sale..................the link is in my sig. He told me that you were looking for a bike in a thread but I didn't know which one till I stumbled across this one.

[BluByU]

Originally posted by schnapsnase
just as a point of interest, 94hatch is selling a R6, looks pretty from the pics, I told him, but as it seems this site is only for people who live in your neck of the woods, no one pays a fucking bit of notice, except when there are fucking chicken wings involved.
Thought you may like to know anyway.

Well sorry that we all have our own little clan and like to hang out and try to get others involved. Besides, he said he was looking at the NEW R6, whole different bike. Word is spread on Isaiah's bike though, so it should be sold SOON I hope, for his case.

[Shadow_Falcon]

To Chevy 454: Do you own a bike...more over, do you own a bike that has a catalytic convertor? If so, have you seen the dyno sheets comparing two of the same bikes, one who has a cat, and one who doesn't? Which makes more hp? What are the torque curves like? If you can't answer that, STFU.

Oh, and here in CO, atmospheric pressure here is 12.2 PSI, as opposed to sea level's, which is 14.7. Think that 2.5 PSI on our high compression engines makes a difference? I think so.
Hell, it does on mine....Arizona looks pretty tempting.

[ryanman]

Just a FYI. I dynoed a 03 R6 (fuel infected) a few days ago and it put 103hp AT the wheel.

[Chevy454]

Originally posted by Shadow_Falcon
To Chevy 454: Do you own a bike...more over, do you own a bike that has a catalytic convertor? If so, have you seen the dyno sheets comparing two of the same bikes, one who has a cat, and one who doesn't? Which makes more hp? What are the torque curves like? If you can't answer that, STFU.

Oh, and here in CO, atmospheric pressure here is 12.2 PSI, as opposed to sea level's, which is 14.7. Think that 2.5 PSI on our high compression engines makes a difference? I think so.
Hell, it does on mine....Arizona looks pretty tempting.

Well according to you the harder the crank has to push on the exhaust the more torque you get :rolleyes:

Look, it is all about scavenging, not backpressure, shut your cock holster.

[Shadow_Falcon]

Its more of an expression rather than physics. Centrifugal force on the crank is what makes torque.

Scavenging?
WTF?
Explain asshat.

[Talus]

Originally posted by Shadow_Falcon
Its more of an expression rather than physics. Centrifugal force on the crank is what makes torque.
Whoa there Steven Hawking, you want to torque about physics? Centrifugal is an "imaginary" force- more like centripital, but that only gives the moment of inertia, what really matters is the force applied X the lever arm perpendicular to the axis giving a quantity expressed in Nm (Newton meters) or pound-feet. Backpressure can give more torque because for the same quantity of gas, the smaller the area of the system will give a greater velocity. Same with scavenging, but resonate frequencies play a part.
/physics test tomorrow :p

[BatmanGSX]

Originally posted by Shadow_Falcon
Scavenging?
WTF?
Explain asshat.

I doubt he has the time, asshat.

[Shadow_Falcon]

Alright, alright. Geez.

Thanks, Professor Talus.

[stockcivic]

it is actually CENTRIPETAL- but I bet you both know more physics than me...