too many fast and ferious racers

[anix]

My car is stock, and i know it is stock. I wont say it is fast untill i am at least able to beat stock mustang pieces of shit. So i dont get why every one with a body kit and exhaust thinks that they are fucking jets.
I drive a 96 prelude vtec and have never lost a race. Im net saying this because i am fast because i know im not. Since i got my car i have had about 23 races and every car was some big exhaust honda reving at me at a light like he was the shit. Almost every time i have them by one car length by 3rd gear and still pulling. Afterward they always want to look under the hood because they swear i have nitrous or something. My point is that knowone seems to know that on a stock honda you are probably going to see 10hp from exhaust and an intake not 50hp.
I am writing this beacuse of an experiance i had last night with a crx. I was driving down collage in fort collins when a crx ziped by trying to show me up. I gunned it and even with his speed he could not get past my front bumper as i took off and passed him. we meet up at the first light and he started reving. The light turned green and i took him by at least 8 cars. We pulled into a parking lot and he asked what i was running. I told him that i was saving up for a turbo kit and all i had was the intake that came with the car when i bought it. The guy said that that was impossable because he had a zc motor with exhaust, header, cold-air-intake, bosh spark plugs ect. and that that added over 100hp. I told him that it was more around 45hp from what he had with the stock motor. It took me popping my hood to convince him.
Im just sick of asshole driving stupid because they think their cars are the shit. I can't wait to get my turbo system so that i can have real races with real racers.

[stu]

Wow, all I have to say is "DUH" that's what ricers do and how they act. by the way, I think even your quotes for how much power things make are a little on the high side. Welcome to he club by the way. OH, and what makes you think that Mustangs are pieces of shit?

[w00dr0w]

Please proofread your posts before you submit them so you don't make yourself look like a complete ass.

So you live in Ft. Collins. What color is your car? If I see you I'll run because I am scared.

Oh, and racing on College is smart. "usuk:

Welcome to the board.

[exciv2000]

Originally posted by stu
OH, and what makes you think that Mustangs are pieces of shit?

What makes you think they are not? :D

[b18cya-T]

Originally posted by exciv2000
What makes you think they are not? :D


http://www.hotrod.com/hotrod/roadtests/p153953_image_large.jpg

btw...thats the view you'll be looking at a lot!

[anix]

It was 3am on collage, and the crx was the king of all ricers

[exciv2000]

Originally posted by Obi Wan B18cya

btw...thats the view you'll be looking at a lot!

Not necessarily. I'm rarely in my car unless I'm going to or coming from work :p Oh and I work 4 miles away, and I'm coming and going when there is minimal traffic... yeah, I won't see one of those and haven't yet in over a year :p

[anix]

Mustangs are shit because they can only manage 305hp from 4.6L and my preude makes almost 200hp from less than half the displacement. They also use most of that 305 to haul their fat asses

[Hellified SH]

BTW its Furious not ferious

[anix]

Sorry I did'nt know I was being graded.

[Hellified SH]

That’s why I stated BTW not FYI, just in case you thought differently.

[damian9669]

You know what man im tired of everyone putting a label on a person just because they drive a certain type of car.Who cares.
Ill admit ive had my share of street races but I never started them.It was usually a civic of some sort with all his indiglo gauges and body kit and no balls under the hood.I mean if youre in a civic and you pull up to a twin turbo rx 7 its should be obvious who will win.Why even bother if you dont have anything more than an exhaust and an intake.As far as displacement goes if you guys like big power from small displacement try a 1.3 liter engine that makes 255hp.Thats the beauty of rotaries.

Cars ive killed so far.
Eagle tallon tsi.
Mitsu Eclipse gsx.
4 civics
and a whole lot of domestics trying to cut me off.

[GimPin]

what color is your RX7 I think I have seen most of them in town here and just wondered which it was .... not that there isnt more than 1 of each color .... anyways just wondering

[RiceBurner00]

I give the guy credit, a lot of it. He owns a prelude and he knows, civics and accords are shit without a major mod in them

but Anix, A mustang has a lot of torque where the prelude drops a lot in torque, plus the mustang is RWD

[damian9669]

Mine is black with no rear wing.I dunno I just never really liked those huge wings.Although ive seen another black one with a wing cruising around town.Once when i was driving on academy i was heading north and that guy was heading south.I think we both did a double take.Its pretty cool when you see someone else with the same car.Especially a rx.I mean its not like theyre a dime a dozen.
Right now my fuel pressure regulator is fuct so im not driving it.But im gonna work on it this weekend or whenever autozone gets it in.I wish I had more dough.Ive got big plans for this bad boy.
Right now ive got a Blitz sus stainless steel dual air intake.Not cheap!! And a blitz super sound blow off valve.Ive mostly done reliability upgrades.But when im finished thats when the real fun begins.

Future mods
-Apex power fc
-Blitz exhaust
-Greddy front mount intercooler
-Downpipe and high flow cat
-Hyperground wires.
-C west bodykit ww 99 spec turn sigs
-Volk Rays GT 7 18 in rims and probably yokohamas.
-And someday get my 13 b rebuilt with 3 mm apex seals and a mild streetport.
I think when im done its should be at about 450 to 500 hp.Thats good enough 4 me.

[GimPin]

you live anywhere near academy and n. carefree... I think I have seen one around there with no wing... it was either black or that really dark green w/o a spoiler couldnt see really well was going the other way.... a friend of mine had a yellow 93 RX here in the springs a couple years ago.... sweet car though

[damian9669]

I think right now my car should be pushing about 270 hp or maybe a little more at the crank.Hell even stock its fast as fuk.
I cant even imagine what its gonna be like when i get a lot more performance parts in it.

[damian9669]

Actually i live down south right now.Although my wife works near the chapel hills mall.So I do drive up there a lot.So odds are it probably was me.

[damian9669]

Well ill be back tomorow to post up again.Right now i gotta go to work.Gotta make the money.Peace.

[jojo]

Originally posted by anix
Mustangs are shit because they can only manage 305hp from 4.6L and my preude makes almost 200hp from less than half the displacement. They also use most of that 305 to haul their fat asses

What an engine can "manage" and what a company chooses to set the power level at from the factory are entirely different concepts. Ford makes money by satisfying a market segment in the most cost effective manner possible. If they have determined that a particular market requires 300hp then there is nothing wrong with detuning a V8 if that makes the most sense from a financial standpoint.

Now if you want to talk engine theory and potential output there is nothing wrong with the DOHC 4.6 motors. Not a piece of shit by a long shot. The aftermarket and racing development of these motors is still in their infancy compared to the pushrod motors that preceded them. In just the short time they've been out I can already show you an 03 Cobra making 700rwhp on a stock longblock. Not too bad IMO. Another car that comes to mind that is capable of that is the 4th gen Supra. I don't know of any knowlegdable folks that consider it to be a piece of shit.

I own two 5.0 Mustangs, on the oldest I've had $27 dollars in repairs in 110k miles ($18 of which was my fault). It now sports a T70 turbo making over 500rwhp on pump gas at 6000ft. And that's actual hp not corrected hp. I'm also doing it on the stock block and tranny. Not too bad for a piece of shit.

[stu]

Thank you Jojo for pointing that out. The whole power per liter argument is bunk, and only stupid jackasses with no real knowledge hop onto the band wagon and use that one. I used to think that way as well, but then I was shown the light. I don't know about other idiots, but I'd much rather have an engine that is bigger and mildly tuned (less stress on the motor) than a smaller one that is within an inch of it's life all the time just to make almost as much power as the larger one. You call a Mustang a piece of shit, but it's enginered half as much as your car, and will kick your ass all seven days of the week. Go figure.

[jojo]

Thank you Stu!

[stu]

Don't be fooled, I'm just trying to get a ride in your car.

[newt2]

Specific output doesn't win races, hp/weight ratio does.

[Bedlam]

Originally posted by newt2
Specific output doesn't win races, hp/weight ratio does.

I thought it was AWD that wins races? Maybe my modest 271hp from the little 2.0L motor isnt that impressive..but it isnt slow. :)

-Bedlam

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by Bedlam
I thought it was AWD that wins races? Maybe my modest 271hp from the little 2.0L motor isnt that impressive..but it isnt slow. :)

-Bedlam

AWD does seem to make up for about 100hp in some cases since I can nearly match a Viper GTS and I doubt I have much over 300 crankhorse.
271 crankhorse? Reality is it's more like 290hp. I think for once Mitsu underated an engine.

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by anix
Mustangs are shit because they can only manage 305hp from 4.6L and my preude makes almost 200hp from less than half the displacement. They also use most of that 305 to haul their fat asses

If you're getting beat then it doesn't matter how HiTech your car is,I guess a '02 SS only getting 325 from 350 cubes is pretty impressive since it's using over 50 year old technology to totally rape your hitech Honda motor from the showroom floor.
Racing is about who wins not how many ponies your car puts out per cubic inches.

[CSMsi311]

who cares about ricers. just give them a "usuk: and move on.

[Ashton]

Originally posted by anix
My car is stock, and i know it is stock. I wont say it is fast untill i am at least able to beat stock mustang pieces of shit. So i dont get why every one with a body kit and exhaust thinks that they are fucking jets.
I drive a 96 prelude vtec and have never lost a race. Im net saying this because i am fast because i know im not. Since i got my car i have had about 23 races and every car was some big exhaust honda reving at me at a light like he was the shit. Almost every time i have them by one car length by 3rd gear and still pulling. Afterward they always want to look under the hood because they swear i have nitrous or something. My point is that knowone seems to know that on a stock honda you are probably going to see 10hp from exhaust and an intake not 50hp.
I am writing this beacuse of an experiance i had last night with a crx. I was driving down collage in fort collins when a crx ziped by trying to show me up. I gunned it and even with his speed he could not get past my front bumper as i took off and passed him. we meet up at the first light and he started reving. The light turned green and i took him by at least 8 cars. We pulled into a parking lot and he asked what i was running. I told him that i was saving up for a turbo kit and all i had was the intake that came with the car when i bought it. The guy said that that was impossable because he had a zc motor with exhaust, header, cold-air-intake, bosh spark plugs ect. and that that added over 100hp. I told him that it was more around 45hp from what he had with the stock motor. It took me popping my hood to convince him.
Im just sick of asshole driving stupid because they think their cars are the shit. I can't wait to get my turbo system so that i can have real races with real racers.

ok im sorry but here is where i have to be a dick. Your prelude is slow. my fucking 4 DOOR, FAMILY GROCERY GETTER can keep up with it.

stop talking about your prelude it sux

so what if ricers blow past you just drive normally unless they taunt you and taunt you than you hand them there fucking ass in a sling and say i guess those washer nozzels dont add 40 horses each.

BTW just to PROVE that my accord can keep up w/ your shit easily since i know youre rolling your fucking eyes, ill come up to FTC Friday night. i think im going to place some washer noozels on my accord and a giant rice wing just for you this friday.

also not all mustangs are shit and you will be seeing the back end of most of them, not a stock V6 but yeah.

[tsitim]

haha well said after that I want a run with my 89' taurus no bullshit I'll take a lude out in my dope ass ride (being smart ass its a old taurus, come on)

[95GSRB18C]

ill race you anix...

[Talonstylz]

erm, av....*bitchsmack* be quiet! (im now scotts assistant, so your doubly fucked now!)

[2000SiVTEC]

Originally posted by anix
Mustangs are shit because they can only manage 305hp from 4.6L and my preude makes almost 200hp from less than half the displacement. They also use most of that 305 to haul their fat asses

I can't believe I just read that............and you are talking abut ricers?

[forum]

Originally posted by AV630
ok im sorry but here is where i have to be a dick. Your prelude is slow. my fucking 4 DOOR, FAMILY GROCERY GETTER can keep up with it.

stop talking about your prelude it sux

so what if ricers blow past you just drive normally unless they taunt you and taunt you than you hand them there fucking ass in a sling and say i guess those washer nozzels dont add 40 horses each.

BTW just to PROVE that my accord can keep up w/ your shit easily since i know youre rolling your fucking eyes, ill come up to FTC Friday night. i think im going to place some washer noozels on my accord and a giant rice wing just for you this friday.

also not all mustangs are shit and you will be seeing the back end of most of them, not a stock V6 but yeah.

stfu, you are almost as bad as this ricer fucktard posting the thread. and if you are gonna talk shit about how fast your 4 door is, come race it at the track pansy.

[Palespider]

Originally posted by jojo
What an engine can "manage" and what a company chooses to set the power level at from the factory are entirely different concepts. Ford makes money by satisfying a market segment in the most cost effective manner possible. If they have determined that a particular market requires 300hp then there is nothing wrong with detuning a V8 if that makes the most sense from a financial standpoint.

Now if you want to talk engine theory and potential output there is nothing wrong with the DOHC 4.6 motors. Not a piece of shit by a long shot. The aftermarket and racing development of these motors is still in their infancy compared to the pushrod motors that preceded them. In just the short time they've been out I can already show you an 03 Cobra making 700rwhp on a stock longblock. Not too bad IMO. Another car that comes to mind that is capable of that is the 4th gen Supra. I don't know of any knowlegdable folks that consider it to be a piece of shit.

I own two 5.0 Mustangs, on the oldest I've had $27 dollars in repairs in 110k miles ($18 of which was my fault). It now sports a T70 turbo making over 500rwhp on pump gas at 6000ft. And that's actual hp not corrected hp. I'm also doing it on the stock block and tranny. Not too bad for a piece of shit.

A Supra can get 700hp on a stock 3 liter motor. A DSM can manage 500hp also on a stock block, and it's a 2 liter.

700hp on a 2003 supercharged 4.6 liter? Not impressed :cool:

[ryanman]

Umm you can get more than 700hp with a 4.6 N/A. Wayy more with forced induction. Anything is possible on any motor.

[Palespider]

Originally posted by ryanman
Umm you can get more than 700hp with a 4.6 N/A. Wayy more with forced induction. Anything is possible on any motor.

Yes, but we're talking about a stock block. And supercharging is considered forced induction.

[schnapsnase]

I have to agree with newt2, hp/wieght wins every time, for example, my friend in Vegas owns a viper with a venom chip that pushes 650plus hp, he just bought himself a stock Ferrari modena F1 with 400ponies, at 0300am we had a race in the middle of nowhere, the ferrari pissed the viper, I mean it took it's little Viper trousers down and smacked it's viper bottom.Top end the viper would have won, but by that time, it was game over, the Ferrari just took off like the wind.
And Stu's point of an overstressed engine makes sence too, but there are exclusions to this point, take for example a Lotus Elise2, only a 1.8ltr motor can be tuned to 300hp , but with only 700 kilos to pull, where is the stress.

[newt2]

I thought it was AWD that wins races?

Other factors like torque, traction, gearing and driver skill definitely are a factor, but with everything else being equal the car with a better hp/weight ratio is going to accelerate faster.

[V8SpankR]

Traction helps unless you're one of the "race from a roll" crowd. :rolleyes:
From a roll a stock LS1 SS Camaro will hold me off by a nose but at the strip I have 'em by just a bit over a full second plus I'm a a few hundred LBS lighter.

[Palespider]

Once you get into the 400hp range and beyond AWD will have the advantage from a roll too :cool:

Not saying I have 400hp, but I've raced some LS1's with that and more and they were all over the place :eek:

[jojo]

Originally posted by Palespider
A Supra can get 700hp on a stock 3 liter motor. A DSM can manage 500hp also on a stock block, and it's a 2 liter.

700hp on a 2003 supercharged 4.6 liter? Not impressed :cool:

Are we back to the specific output ricer stuff again? I'll let you in on a little engineering secret. All things being equal specific output will decrease with increasing engine size. A smaller engine will always be capable of a higher specific output. But a larger engine will be capable of the higher TOTAL output.

At any rate the topic of discussion was the quality of the build. Any production LONG block that will support over 700rwhp is good stuff.

[BalticBlue93]

Originally posted by jojo
Are we back to the specific output ricer stuff again? I'll let you in on a little engineering secret. All things being equal specific output will decrease with increasing engine size. A smaller engine will always be capable of a higher specific output. But a larger engine will be capable of the higher TOTAL output.

At any rate the topic of discussion was the quality of the build. Any production LONG block that will support over 700rwhp is good stuff.

Once again I am going to nod and agree with Jojo. This cat and I see eye to eye on most every topic.

[Cheio]

I've been called a ricer because i'm 16. I don't get it. :mad: Not cool... So yeah... i hate ricers too.

[Talonstylz]

Im gonna have to agree with jojo. A bigger engine will always make more power with everything being equal. And yes, any engine that can take 700whp on a stock block is awesome. Whether it be a 3 liter I6, or a 4.6L V8, it doesnt matter. The ricers use the specific output as an excuse to why they got their ass handed to them. Oh well, maybe one day they will realize...

[tsitim]

well said! TS

[Shadow_Falcon]

I have to agree with Jojo here...

Even the 4.6 SOHC GT engines don't seem to be doing to bad when it comes to making horsepower, and you know those old 5.0 engines? Aftermarket parts for those to make them fast are pretty cheap compared to some of the aftermarket part supplies for honda's engines...

Even the pushrod OHV LT1s and LS1s are making lots of power..it's not about output per liter (or volumetric effeciency), it's about power to weight ratios...why do you think bikes are so fast?

[69Corvette450]

All your rice are belong to me you fuckin jew. ooo im sooo pussy hurt, hes got a V8 so thats my excuse, fuckin lamo bitch

[jojo]

Originally posted by 69Corvette450
All your rice are belong to me you fuckin jew. ooo im sooo pussy hurt, hes got a V8 so thats my excuse, fuckin lamo bitch

STFU please.

[BalticBlue93]

Originally posted by 69Corvette450
All your rice are belong to me you fuckin jew. ooo im sooo pussy hurt, hes got a V8 so thats my excuse, fuckin lamo bitch

When the snow melts...why don't you come out and show me what your V8's got to offer. I am free anytime in the evening and on the weekends.

[john]

Ricer.

Originally posted by Cheio
I've been called a ricer because i'm 16. I don't get it. :mad: Not cool... So yeah... i hate ricers too.

[john]

Please stop sending me private messages. I keep telling you that I am not interested, I do not want to have you suck my dick any longer, and the way you bleed when I assfuck you is really making me sick.

So while I was interested in the sex (with the prerequisite mask over your "face"), your personality is turning me off.

Please stop with the PMs. Anything more than a coupld dozen per day is bordering on obsessive.

One positive note, though. When you took out the dentures, the way you used your gums & tongue on my dick was nice.



Originally posted by 69Corvette450
All your rice are belong to me you fuckin jew. ooo im sooo pussy hurt, hes got a V8 so thats my excuse, fuckin lamo bitch

[Cheio]

Originally posted by john
Ricer.

I know :( . With my civik with altezza's, apc banner, aluminum wing, l.e.d everything, and baby blue paint... I don't know what I am anymore :eek: .

[john]

You really need to add some firefly airstem LEDs, a couple sets of those really NICE windshield washer LEDs, the total in-car neon setup, and etc.

[jojo]

Originally posted by john
Please stop sending me private messages. I keep telling you that I am not interested, I do not want to have you suck my dick any longer, and the way you bleed when I assfuck you is really making me sick.

So while I was interested in the sex (with the prerequisite mask over your "face"), your personality is turning me off.

Please stop with the PMs. Anything more than a coupld dozen per day is bordering on obsessive.

One positive note, though. When you took out the dentures, the way you used your gums & tongue on my dick was nice.

I did not need to hear all of that before breakfast!!! :eek: :eek:

[tsitim]

damn JOHN dislike any one lately?

[Palespider]

Originally posted by jojo
At any rate the topic of discussion was the quality of the build. Any production LONG block that will support over 700rwhp is good stuff.

I just said I wasn't impressed. Some are more easily impressed than others. I'm not.

And I never said that I didn't think the motor was good, and any motor that is rated at 390 hp in stock form isn't shitty by a long shot.

[Shadow_Falcon]

Originally posted by BalticBlue93
When the snow melts...why don't you come out and show me what your V8's got to offer. I am free anytime in the evening and on the weekends.
I second that. And I'm using a smaller engine, too. :D