285whp SRT-4 with 2 mods for under $300

[V8KILLR]

TurboXS & AGP turbo's are working together on this one. Only 2 mods (manual boost controller set at 17psi & a stiffer wastegate actuator) as well as some race gas.
view actual post here (http://www.srtforums.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2906)

On another note, someone else with a EBC, full 3" exhaust & Slicks just hit a 13.1 @103mph.
view actual post here (http://www.srtforums.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2929)

Seems to respond to "mods" pretty well so far. Only about 3 more weeks until they become available in the denver dealerships. get yours while you can! :cool:

[nolimitsoldier]

I have to keep telling myself it's a Neon...

[V8KILLR]

Originally posted by nolimitsoldier
I have to keep telling myself it's a Neon...
...ON STEROIDS:mad:

[john]

I'd own one of them in a minute... Once the used market has a few of them with 20-50k miles on them, I'd seriously consider looking at/for one. :)

[Hellified SH]

Yeah I see no reason to buy one brand new unless it comes out with a HELLIFIED warranty...

[2000SiVTEC]

Originally posted by john
I'd own one of them in a minute... Once the used market has a few of them with 20-50k miles on them, I'd seriously consider looking at/for one. :)

No doubt john. I may be looking for one towards the end of the year with some miles on it. It will just be something to play around with and keep my jetta as a nice daily driver. If I didnt just buy my car less than a year ago I would probably own one.............

[exciv2000]

Originally posted by V8KILLR
...ON STEROIDS:mad:

Too bad steroids make your balls shrink :p

[BluByU]

Thees caah hav BEEEEG BAWLS. Strong like BULL! But shrink like cheap Metallica T-shirt from concert!

[Brian]

I would own one in a second. I too have thought of picking one up in a few months to mod the hell out of and keep my GTI as a semi luxo car.

[Hellified SH]

Originally posted by 1EightT
I would own one in a second. I too have thought of picking one up in a few months to mod the hell out of and keep my GTI as a semi luxo car.

We might need a new board 1EightT. We'll call it HAND (HIGH ALTITUDE NEONS in DENVER) :D

[Brian]

:rofl: lol

[chrisbarnett01]

Originally posted by Hellified SH
Yeah I see no reason to buy one brand new unless it comes out with a HELLIFIED warranty...


It comes with a 7 year 100k warranty. Yes, 100,000 mile warranty.

Originally posted by Hellified SH
We might need a new board 1EightT. We'll call it HAND (HIGH ALTITUDE NEONS in DENVER) :D

Colorado Neon's already have a web forum, lol.

HAND is a funny name though. :D :D :D

[RiceBurner00]

damn thats good for what it has

[95GSRB18C]

pretty good HP for those small mods. I have to agree with Brandon tho....i also think to myself that its a neon.....

[RiceBurner00]

but your car is just an integra

[2000SiVTEC]

Originally posted by RiceBurner00
but your car is just an integra

:werd:

[phil]

and I just thinking about all the stuff that has gone wrong with every neon owned by people I know.

[ryanman]

w3rd, it's still a neon.

[V8KILLR]

Originally posted by john
I'd own one of them in a minute... Once the used market has a few of them with 20-50k miles on them, I'd seriously consider looking at/for one. :)

These are going to be pretty hard to find even used for a while anyway? "Supposedly" each dealer in the metro area who has gone throught the SRT training will be alloted 4 SRT-4's each. When they're gone they're gone....until the 2004 models come out in september-ish. Seeing as how we were supposed to have them way back in March & they still don't have them here may be an indication of accurate those time frames are:rolleyes: I ordered mine a few weeks back because I can't wait;) Although there's some rumors that the 2004's will come with a LSD?

1eightT: I called ALL of the Denver dealers and none have them yet? Unless them Springs dealers have the hookup, those SRT-4's you guys have running around down there in the Springs must be from out of state. Some dealerships in Florida have like 12 on their lot as we speak. They'll pick you up at the airport too:cool: Might be worth the flight? Beside you can have the motor broke in before you get home:D

I did have the opportunity (but took a different job) to test drive the SRT-4 & numerous others way back about 1.5 years ago for a company here in Denver that tests prototypes for the manufactures. Because Mopar is still developing the staged performance packages that will be offered & waranteed through the dealers...there may be a few teasters running around here & there?

[ryanman]

Well if I ever see one of the test beds on the street, I'm gonna show him the powah of the DSM.

[Weston]

Originally posted by RiceBurner00
but your car is just an integra

Integra > Civic > Cavalier > Neon, or something like that. Stock or lightly mod'ed Integras are nowhere near "fast", but I'd still much rather have a Teg than a Neon, no matter how fast it is. Besides, a good turbo setup on a Teg would destroy the SRT-4.

[davidm_sh]

Originally posted by ryanman
w3rd, it's still a neon.

I KNOW. Thats what makes it so appealing to me. Passenger in friends Z06 says: 'Dude ... you just got your arse kicked by a Neon :)'

I want one just to POff all the WRX, STI, and EVO owners... from a roll of course [heh].

[Brian]

Originally posted by Weston
Integra > Civic > Cavalier > Neon, or something like that. Stock or lightly mod'ed Integras are nowhere near "fast", but I'd still much rather have a Teg than a Neon, no matter how fast it is. Besides, a good turbo setup on a Teg would destroy the SRT-4.

more like integra = civic = cavalier = neon. The integra is a bit nicer inside then any of the others, but from a performance standpoint I place them all i nthe same category......

[LeonZ]

All those cars might be similar in performance, but integras and civics have a reputation for better quality. There is a reason as to why regular neons and cavaliers cost under 8 grand when new, unlike civics and integras.

[SinisterWRX]

I think the front of the neon looks pretty tough. If I didn't have my Rex I would of gone for one of those. :)

[ryanman]

Originally posted by LeonZ
All those cars might be similar in performance, but integras and civics have a reputation for better quality.
Haha and a reputation for being stolen. Out of that group I think I'd want the Neon because who in the hell would steal a Neon?

[Weston]

Originally posted by 1EightT
more like integra = civic = cavalier = neon. The integra is a bit nicer inside then any of the others, but from a performance standpoint I place them all i nthe same category......

Except for the SRT-4, the Integra is the fastest in the bunch.

But the Integra's engine is still the thing holding it back. There have been many times when I had it to the floor all the way through a series of curves because it just wasn't going fast enough to even get near the limits of my almost stock suspension (I only have upgraded sway bars). My typical exit speed from one of those spots is 115 and the other is 80-90 (curves going up a hill). I still think that's weak and get pissed that my engine wont do more, but I'd like to see other cars in that group try to do that. The Civic Si and Neon SRT4 are the only ones that I think could do it, but those aren't exactly your typical Civic or Neon. (And a Type-R would destroy both of them :D)

[RiceBurner00]

better quality? those cars are very alike, no matter what, its mostly about how the driver treats his/her car. Of course when you see moms/girls/funboys riding around in those cars there gonna be in better shape

and who the hell would steal an integra or a civic, I would steal a more expensive car

[Weston]

Wow, I didn't think anyone would be dumb enough to bring up quality when trashing on Honda/Acura.

But if you insist, let's talk about that quality... 99k miles on my Acura and not only does it still run like new, but I really haven't had any problems other than minor annoyances with it. I have only replaced two things that weren't part of the scheduled maintenance, but they were both minor and it turns out that they didn't actually need to be replaced. One was because I was overdue for scheduled maintenance, and that's all that it really needed. The other was just a freak problem that went away on it's own, but I already bought the replacement part, so I went ahead and just replaced it. So, almost 100,000 miles with no real problems, and it's still in great shape. Yeah, I'm a real idiot for calling that quality. :rolleyes:

That's with me keeping it maintained for the most part, and being hard on it on a daily basis and racing it frequently. Of course any car is going to fall apart if you trash it and just don't care about it. But, I've yet to see a Cavalier or Neon with "high" miles that's in good shape, no matter how well the owner took care of it. Cavaliers especially are notorious for being POS'es. I know many people with them and most have drivetrain problems in addition to other things falling apart. 60k miles seems to be about all that most of them get before the engine starts making bad noises, and the rest of the car isn't exactly in great shape by then either. The Isuzu transmissions they had don't last at all, especally if you "race" it. GM finally switched to something that can actually handle the stock engine for the '99 and newer models. Edit: and my favorite thing about them is how they have to have a governor at 108 because they're so unstable and have cheap econobox brakes. (And yes, I have witnessed this for myself)

As for Neons, I don't know anyone who was clueless enough to buy one, but even I'm hearing about them blowing headgaskets and/or motors left and right. Yeah, I really want that "quality" with the additional stress of a turbo on it!

[RiceBurner00]

My 1993 cutlass supreme SL is in great condition and it has 100k miles on it, and a lot better then hondas in every category, cept maybe mpg

I sold it to get my aurora which rides like a dream and has everything in it

[BoraTurbo]

teg type R will destroy the srt-4? keep dreaming. R's run mid 14's stock with a good driver and srt4's run mid-high 13's stock with a good driver.

[ryanman]

Yeah, at sea level.

[chrisbarnett01]

Originally posted by ryanman
Haha and a reputation for being stolen. Out of that group I think I'd want the Neon because who in the hell would steal a Neon?

Actually, neons are stolen way more often than integras are. I think the neon is #3 most stolen vehicle in Colorado? F150 is number one, and Ford Taurus is number 2 if I recall correctly.

In Colorado anyways. Nationwide, the Civic and Integra rank higher. But neither rank as high as the Camry on the nationwide study. Nor the F150.

The only real problem with the neon, from a quality standpoint, is the early headgaskets, but anyone that has one can get Chrysler to fix it for free if they ask, so there is no reason for neon's to be on the road still with that headgasket. All neon's since mid 99 use a better gasket, so its a non issue now.

There are plenty of neon's around Denver with over 150k miles that run fine.

My 96 has 152k IIRC. It's in pretty good shape, and the only problem that I know if is a turn signal bulb burned out this afternoon.

I know at least 2-3 more guys in Colorado neons that have almost 200k, with no issues aside from minor annoyances. After 200k, I don't care what you drive, suspension bushings start to wear out. The 90 Civic Si that my girlfriend owned had 185k, and EVERY bushing was trash.

On my neon, with 152k, all the bushings are still in good shape.

But yeah, you guys are right, it is still just a neon. Oh well.

[exciv2000]

I'd take a 285 HP neon with two mods for $300. I wouldn't pay much more than that for a neon :p

[Weston]

Originally posted by RiceBurner00
My 1993 cutlass supreme SL is in great condition and it has 100k miles on it, and a lot better then hondas in every category, cept maybe mpg

...


:rofl: :rofl: You have got to be kidding me. :rofl: :rofl:

When you say "Hondas", you must mean Civics, because if you don't, then that's the biggest line of BS that I have ever heard. :rolleyes: FYI, Honda makes a lot more than Civic DX'es.

You shouldn't make it so obvious that you're a troll. Your lies should at least be somewhat believable so that everyone doesn't just instantly that know you're full of it.

[Weston]

Originally posted by BoraTurbo
teg type R will destroy the srt-4? keep dreaming. R's run mid 14's stock with a good driver and srt4's run mid-high 13's stock with a good driver.

Really? I heard the R was 14.7 and the SRT-4 was like 14.2, at sea level of course. I know the SRT-4 will win in a straight line. Like I said before, Integras really aren't all that fast. But, I was talking about when turns are involved... That's clearly what the Type-R was built for. And it just so happens that real race tracks involve many turns.

[RiceBurner00]

Accords has one of the most shittiest interiors, my g/fs dad has a newer one and its so uncomfortable, I think the only option he has over me is cruise control

my cutlass is 165hp/188 ft of torque, I swear I never heard so many people brag about there fucking honda until the fast and the furious came out, you praise your car like its a real sports car or luxury car, but hey, its a grocery car man, its ok man, you can call me a troll, whatever that means, but atleast im not a riceboy

[Weston]

And I don't know wtf chrisbarnett01 is talking about, but we're all now dumber for having read that.

My owner's manual says 105k miles for my timing belt replacement, but it seems to be 90k for most Hondas. I replaced it at 96k and it was in great condition. According to other people's experiences, they tend to actually break around 130k. And my engine is an interference motor, so it's quite a big deal if the timing belt snaps. The scheduled maintenance really doesn't include anything big except for the timing belt.

I know a guy that had an 89 Prelude with 250k miles on it and it was still running good until the timing belt snapped and destroyed the engine. I'm not sure how many miles were on the belt, but it was a cheap aftermarket one like you'd get from AutoZone.

[Weston]

Originally posted by RiceBurner00
Accords has one of the most shittiest interiors, my g/fs dad has a newer one and its so uncomfortable, I think the only option he has over me is cruise control

my cutlass is 165hp/188 ft of torque, I swear I never heard so many people brag about there fucking honda until the fast and the furious came out, you praise your car like its a real sports car or luxury car, but hey, its a grocery car man, its ok man, you can call me a troll, whatever that means, but atleast im not a riceboy

Wow, 165hp and 188ft-lbs of torque in a heavy ass boat! I bet that really moves, and it's obviously such a killer in the turns! :rolleyes: What a joke. You don't stand a chance.

And I'm a "riceboy" because I drive an import? Then why are you on HighAltitudeImports.com? Stupid racist trolls don't belong here. ;NutKick;

[RiceBurner00]

am I bragging about my horsepower, im just stating it, and I raced many stock hondas and won with ease

your not a riceboy because you drive an import, you are one because you praise hondas and cant get out of the "honda is a sports car world"

[RiceBurner00]

wow your car stock is 140/125, damn go go speed racer!!!!

you think because my cutlass is 3450 pounds its a slow piece, if we raced stock from a stop, I would win, from a rolll, id smoke ya dude

I think that weight is only a factor from a stop, once its rolling, its rolling

[exciv2000]

Originally posted by RiceBurner00

I think that weight is only a factor from a stop, once its rolling, its rolling

I think you're wrong. No, I take that back. I KNOW you're wrong. Dude, you're just as bad as Jarod... won't be long before you're banned too.

[LeonZ]

Originally posted by RiceBurner00


your not a riceboy because you drive an import, you are one because you praise hondas and cant get out of the "honda is a sports car world"

when did he say that? and why do you classify honda as a "car" not as a car manufacturer company. and accords have pretty nice interiors, i know mine does... at least far better interior than cutlass.

[Weston]

Originally posted by RiceBurner00
wow your car stock is 140/125, damn go go speed racer!!!!

you think because my cutlass is 3450 pounds its a slow piece, if we raced stock from a stop, I would win, from a rolll, id smoke ya dude

I think that weight is only a factor from a stop, once its rolling, its rolling

My car weights 800lbs less than yours and has shorter gearing. Hondas perform as well as they do because of high redlines and short gearing. There's a hell of a lot more to performance comparisons than peak HP numbers. Ignorant fucks like you obviously don't know the first thing about what gearing actually does, let alone any other concepts that are involved.

Weight is a factor at all speeds, but it seems to matter less at higher speeds. However, aerodynamics become more important as speed increases, and I'll kick your ass there too.

I don't doubt that you can beat some stock Hondas. But, I have a news flash for you... Every stock Honda doesn't have the same performance. Like I said before, Honda makes a lot more than the Civic DX. There's a world of difference between that and my car.

Weight is also a huge factor in handling. Your boat doesn't have a prayer in the turns. I'd absolutely love destroying you in the curves, but I wouldn't want to encourage an obviously very inexperienced kid to wreck his car while trying to keep up with me in the turns.

And where did I ever say or even imply that every "honda is a sports car"? No one ever said that Honda only makes sports cars. However, my Integra actually is considered and marketed as a sports car. But, just like I said before, it doesn't have much power for one. It's faster than the average car, but it's still not "fast".

My car is hamster powered and fucking slow compared to most sports cars, but I'll still beat your dumb ass in any kind of race and I'll get better gas mileage while doing it too.

And when I go FI, it'll actually be worthy of being called fast. For the time being, I'll just beat slow fucks like you in a straight line and race worthy opponents in the turns.

[stu]

Wow, Weston I've never seen you get so mean before, you are usually one of the most mild tempered guys on the site. heh heh. I know what you should do to calm down, you need to put some Altezzas on your car.

[chrisbarnett01]

Originally posted by Weston
And I don't know wtf chrisbarnett01 is talking about, but we're all now dumber for having read that.

Thanks. :rolleyes:


My owner's manual says 105k miles for my timing belt replacement, but it seems to be 90k for most Hondas. I replaced it at 96k and it was in great condition. According to other people's experiences, they tend to actually break around 130k. And my engine is an interference motor, so it's quite a big deal if the timing belt snaps. The scheduled maintenance really doesn't include anything big except for the timing belt.

Ok, I'll retract my statement. My experience with Honda cars has shown 60k as the standard replacement. Evidently that doens't apply to some, specifically your Integra.

Timing belts do usually last to 125-140k miles. The one on a used neon I bought that supposedly had been changed snapped at 136k. Obviously, the belt hadn't been changed(nothing had, contrary to what I was told).

After looking up the specs for every Honda/Acura made since 85, timing belt intervals vary from car to car, and year to year. The lowest I saw was 60k, the majority of the mid to late 90's are 90k, and some were 105k. All of the newer 4 cylinders are 105k, and EVERY V6 is 60k. The early 90's cars are all 60k as well.

It also seems that about half of the Honda motors are interference, and half aren't.

So I'll admit it, I wasn't accurate in my earlier statement. I really don't care, the point still stands. Neon's are still as reliable as a Honda if you take care of them, aside from the early head gasket issue(which has been fixed). Even the head gasket issue isn't important, because that was when the motor had JUST been designed. Honda motors back in the day? Not that reliable.

I'll admit that the quality of plastics used in the Neon's interior probably aren't up to par with a Honda Civic or Acura Integra, but I also paid ~$4000 less than I would have for a comparable Civic. In the new neon's, I think the interior materials are all of the same quality.

I know a guy that had an 89 Prelude with 250k miles on it and it was still running good until the timing belt snapped and destroyed the engine. I'm not sure how many miles were on the belt, but it was a cheap aftermarket one like you'd get from AutoZone.

Most belts are made by the same manufacturers actually. Gates, Dayco, etc. The only difference between the Autozone belt and the Honda belt is the logo and the part #, and the COST. Same belt.



And also, please don't label me a racist, as I am not. I like all cars, and will give respect to anything that deserves it(looks good, or is fast, handles well, etc).

And if you want to find out, I'm sure my neon will outhandle your Type R. Stock vs stock, you'd beat me, but not by much. If you bought the right model neon, you could get fully adjustable Koni struts, bigger sway bars, quicker steering ratio, etc. The newer neons can be had with inverted double adjustable Dynamic struts, among other things. Which are arguably the highest quality strut on the market, and most adjustable. Quite a few Leman's racers use production Dynamic struts.

I still like ITR's though, I've been debating buying one. Only ~$7800 shipped, it needs a new hood and a headlight though.

[chrisbarnett01]

And as my last statement in these neon threads, I don't care if you guys don't like neons. I'm not trying to get you to buy a neon. I just wish that some of the people out there that ask for "tolerance" would be more tolerant of people with similar passions, but a different brand car.

If you don't like being hated, quit hating others.

And yes, half of you idiots fall under this. Open your eyes, and realize what the hell is happening with the automotive world. It's getting insane, and cars are being produced that are faster than most cars ever produced, short of exotic super cars.

[Weston]

Originally posted by stu
Wow, Weston I've never seen you get so mean before, you are usually one of the most mild tempered guys on the site. heh heh. I know what you should do to calm down, you need to put some Altezzas on your car.

Yeah, well I usually try to be a nice guy and gently educate clueless people, but this guy is such an asshole on top of being completely ignorant. Maybe if I go down to his level, something will actually get through. And if not, I'll get my frustrations out anyways.

I'm sick of people bragging about how fast their car is just to put other people down. I don't brag or talk shit, but certain insecure types of people see that and think they can get away with doing it to me. So, I've decided that when people try to pull that shit, I'm just going to tell it like it is and set them straight.

If they want to be materialistic children and act like people are only as good as their car, then I'll just turn into a snobby Acura driver and tell them how much they and what they have sucks. I have more of a status symbol than anyone who has ever trashed on it, if that tells you anything. It is kind of satisfying to beat some prick at his own game.

I just really prefer not to be like that, because what you drive or what you have really does not make you a better person. I don't want people to like me only because of what I have. But some people just aren't capable of understanding that.

[Weston]

chrisbarnett01: Sorry to go off on you... Certain other things/people enraged me. I'm glad to see that you can see things clearly, I was wrong about you.

As for the Neons, I beleive the ACR's are the ones with the Konis and all that jazz. Stock for stock, it does handle pretty damn well and better than the LS or GS-R, but I wouldn't go so far as to say the Type-R too. The Type-R has an excellently balanced suspension, very good shocks, refined chasis, better brakes, and a limited slip differential (that's very helpful).

Once you get an aftermarket suspension, the Integra (non Type-R) will see much better gains and beat the ACR because it already had the good stuff to begin with. I was told that by an expert racer who has a Neon ACR, and it certainly makes sense from what I've seen.

BTW, I just have an LS. It's suspension from the factory is a bit de-tuned. The rear is really soft and it has a small rear sway bar. That causes lots of understeer, which is a safety thing for the average driver. The Type-R rear sway bar is cheap and makes a huge improvement. The rear is still soft and weight transfers to it pretty easily, so I can't accelerate too much out of some turns, but it still does really well. The Type-R has rear springs that are as stiff as the front, so it doesn't have that problem and it has a really nice balance.

[RiceBurner00]

I was never bragging about my cutlass, and the interior is way better then an accords interior

Of course Horsepower isnt the main thing to compare cars, its all about Torque. I never took my cutlass to a track and the turning is fairly easy, it is even more easier on my 3900lbs. Aurora

Your car is not a sports car, it is a sportY car, as well as a lot of other cars like it, I raced my friends 94 Accord from a stop and i won by a decent amount, he had cool air intake and one of those bee sounding exhaust, I raced my friend in a 95 stock maxima and he beat me by a car length

why do you want me banned? Am I really getting under your skin that much buddy 8)

I like Integras, I think there a decent looking car with a good interior

[LeonZ]

http://carad0.ipixmedia.com/abc/carad/9685048x683938/683938-05022003160722-14_L.JPG

you are calling this a better interior than this:

http://photos.imageevent.com/leonz/whitegaugesinterior/websize/P4190002.JPG

you must be :smoker: some good stuff...

[V8SpankR]

LeonZ does have a pojnt,the Accord is far much cleaner looking and the other is very 80s dated.

[Weston]

Yeah, a 94 Accord isn't exactly a threat to me either. And don't confuse how easy it is to turn with good handling. Things are very very different when racing.

As for sports car vs sporty, that isn't so clear. It's obviously not a full blown sports car, but it's more than just sporty. A good example of a car that's just sporty is the Cavalier Z24... It's no more than a regular Cavalier with painted bumpers and a better engine. The brakes still suck, the aerodynamics still suck, it still starts to get unstable around 100, it still has the 108 mph governor, speedometer only goes to 115, etc. It's just the same econobox with a bigger engine.

The 3rd gen Integra comes standard with 4 wheel disc brakes, good aerodynamics, double wishbone suspension, front & rear sway bars, high speed stability, no governor (and no need for one), standard tachometer (which is just as big as the speedo), and so on. And several of the Integra ads featured it next to the NSX and/or being raced. And I'm sure we've all seen the Acura commercials with the curvy mountain roads. The two door model is also called the "sport coupe". Like I said before, it's not a full blown sports car like the NSX, but it has everything that you'd expect in a $20-$30k (or higher) sports car, except for a powerful engine.

Acura/Honda calls it a sports car, so does insurance companies, and so does my experience as a racer.

[LeonZ]

werd

[exciv2000]

That accord looks WWWWAAAAAAYYYYYY better then that other picture, what is that a cutlass? That's fawking pitiful, no pity earned or deserved.

[RiceBurner00]

lol what is that like an 86 cutlass? ill post you a pic or mine or another car that has the same features

[jojo]

Originally posted by V8SpankR
LeonZ does have a pojnt,the Accord is far much cleaner looking and the other is very 80s dated.

Hello? That IS an eighties Cutlass. Anyone have a picture of a 1984 Accord interior?

[LeonZ]

Actually it was a 1997 cutlass I found on ebay.

[jojo]

I just looked at all of the 97 Cutlasses on Ebay. I don't see anything like that. A bench seat and column shifter in 1997?

Here's a 98 Cutlass

http://gcoast.com/98olds.jpg

And a 98 Accord

http://gcoast.com/98accord.jpg

[Weston-work]

Nice red X. Try this:

http://www.gcoast.com/98olds.jpg

[V8SpankR]

I thought we were comparing a specific Cutlass to a newer Accord,that was the original comparison. Now it's comparing new to new which of course it looks better but the Cutlass in question belongs to Riceburner00.

[exciv2000]

Originally posted by jojo
I just looked at all of the 97 Cutlasses on Ebay. I don't see anything like that. A bench seat and column shifter in 1997?

Here's a 98 Cutlass

http://gcoast.com/98olds.jpg

And a 98 Accord

http://gcoast.com/98accord.jpg

I'd still take the Accord. Fit and finish is 10 times better.

[Weston-work]

Yeah, besides... what's the point of having a nice interior, if you're outside pushing all the time. :rofl:

If I had to chose between the two, I'd take the Accord in a heartbeat.

[RiceBurner00]

mine looks more sporty then the 98 cutlass, I got the 93 international coupe, leather seats, bucket seats, Olds comfort, but if you sit in any oldsmobile you will be very comfortable

I just think the seats in the accord are hard and the interior of the doors make it look cheap, although the leather seats package of the accord makes it a bit more comfortable, but Id still have my interior

both front seats in each car are roomy, the back seat of my 2 door car has more room then a 4 door accord, but this is ALL opinion, lots of you guys probably have never been in one of my cars so it is really hard to judge

[LeonZ]

My accord has a very comfy leather, 8 way power seat, lumbar support and very roomy back seat. Soft leather that's 10 years old is usually pretty uncomfortable for your back during long trips

[RiceBurner00]

sounds good, my cousin has a newer one too, 2001 silver coupe, the interior isnt bad at all, it just isnt comfy for long trips

[exciv2000]

oldsmobiles and buicks, regardless of the past, are for geriatrics now, nuff said.
I'll take an LS430 or Mercedes for comfort.

Booya

[chrisbarnett01]

Originally posted by exciv2000
oldsmobiles and buicks, regardless of the past, are for geriatrics now, nuff said.
I'll take an LS430 or Mercedes for comfort.

Booya

mmmmm, LS430.....*drool*

[RiceBurner00]

hmmm any 3.8 buick is an awesome buick to me, they have a lot more power then civics and accord do, plus the luxury.
my T-Type is one of my favorite cars in the world, yes you do see older people drive buicks and oldsmobile, personally I hardly ever see a guy over 25 who drives a honda, and if they do ,they got a family in the car, if you think hondas can match these cars interior, why do old people not drive them if you think every older person does? these cars have a lot more to offer

and my aurora is a luxury car with a lot of power to it, its competiors are the Lincoln LS, Lexus, Caddys, some BMW

Personally I dont care about how old other people are who drive the same car as me, I dont need to satisfy anyone else but me

but maybe if you see an old guy driving a civic u might sell it and get a hatchback or something

[LeonZ]

Old american people drive big buicks, oldsmobiles and such because that's what they drove when they were young. I'm sure they didn't drive japanese cars in the 50s and 60s. I don't know what its like in philly, but here, there is many many older people who drive civics and accord sedans, just like ford focus and dodge neon.

[Brian]

I've never really been a fan of american luxo cars. If I were in the market for one it would be an audi or a bmw. I think as far as fit and finish goes german cars are quite a bit ahead. My next choice would probably be something from acura or the new accord. I saw one yesterday and it was actually pretty nice. I do like a select few american vehicles though. The new neon, corvette, mustang, and american trucks.

[LeonZ]

i dont think that american luxury cars are in the same league as BMWs, Mercedeses, Jaguars, Audis and even Lexuses.

[V8SpankR]

How about that new SRT4?

[CSMsi311]

Originally posted by V8SpankR
How about that new SRT4?
heh, i think everyone got a little side tracked.

For everyone that says the SRT4 is "just a neon" and give no respect to it. just think. Isn't the reaction we love to get when we race is the feeling that our car is "just a honda". You love to shame other people with your "civic" and when you win you think "I just beat you with a civic"

EDIT: "civic" is just used as an example.

[2000SiVTEC]

If i were going for a luxury car I would have to look at all cars. Really the only american luxo car I would consider is a cadillac, the others just don't have looks that impress me. From there I would go to Mercedes which would be my top choice, Then to BMW, cadillac, and Acura. I would not even consider an audi unless it was a a6 or above(excluding the s4). I have never been into audis.......

[RiceBurner00]

Originally posted by LeonZ
i dont think that american luxury cars are in the same league as BMWs, Mercedeses, Jaguars, Audis and even Lexuses.

i said some bmws and the Lexus

I bet you guys never really looked at an Aurora, They are selling less then the main luxury cars because it was first introduced in 95', the shape of the body is gorgeous and a lot of people ask me what kind of car that is, because it doesnt say oldsmobile on the whole car, except the 12 disc CD changer. It wants to attract new drivers, because new drivers think of Oldsmobile of thinking Old, Big, Slow......Its nothing like a regular olds

It has a stock amp and sub, the speakers are Bose (acutomas edition or whatever its spelled) It has a stock battery kill alarm, a back up 4 cylider incase you have engine problems on the road, its good for 50 miles, night vision mirrors, everything power, sun/moon, 10 way power seats, heated seats, seperate temps for the passenger, the whole front is like a 60 degree angle facing the driver for easy reach, you can change the temp, fan, CD, volcome, radio all on the steering wheel, a computer for checking the car for the oil life, trans, everything, traction control
my car is about 260hp /275 torque, its a great thing especially driving on the highway, 4.0 Northstar 32v DOHC v8 engine, and other goodies too

if you are into lux. cars and are thinking about ever buying one, just take a look at an aurora even though your thinking, wow, oldsmobiles suck, I gotta back up olds and say they are one of my favorite brand of cars

wow, said too much, must be the buds ;)

[ryanman]

Fuck Aurora's.

[RiceBurner00]

Riceboy?

[LeonZ]

I guess auroras are a bit luxurious, but I bet they aren't even close to BMWs, that are made to run 1,000,000 kilometers. Their reliabilty and performance/handling is not as good as some of the real luxury cars have.

[RiceBurner00]

they are close to SOME bmws, I would rather have a BMW if it was the same price as the aurora, but the aurora is a good deal

its a real luxury car, you dont know anything about Auroras, and looking info up on car sites wont help very much

I think it has one of the best bodies around

it has everything a caddilac has + many more luxury cars


but yea, if i had a choice without paying Id pick a german luxury car

[LeonZ]

Uhm.. Yeah............

[exciv2000]

Originally posted by ryanman
Fuck Aurora's.

:werd:

[Hellified SH]

The Aurora's are running around $33000.00 new with the leather interior and the 4.0L 250HP engine. I'd but it if I couldnt afford a Cadillac, but of course some people here can only afford a Civic let alone a USED CADILLAC..

[exciv2000]

Road and Track for June 2003 tested the SRT-4 (along with the Audi RS6, Mercedes E55 AMG, BMW M5, Evo VIII vs. WRX STI) and I quote "While it's not as polished as say, a Honda Civic, the neon chassis has come a long way since the mid 1990's." That right there tells you fit and finish both inside and out of a honda is far better than the neon. They gave the neon some good remarks tho, including that it's faster from 0-60 than a stock WRX (non-STI). I'd consider one if the dash was not so ugly and if the front end wasn't so agressive looking. Long live the sleepers.

[LeonZ]

Originally posted by exciv2000
Road and Track for June 2003 tested the SRT-4 (along with the Audi RS6, Mercedes E55 AMG, BMW M5, Evo VIII vs. WRX STI) and I quote "While it's not as polished as say, a Honda Civic, the neon chassis has come a long way since the mid 1990's." That right there tells you fit and finish both inside and out of a honda is far better than the neon. They gave the neon some good remarks tho, including that it's faster from 0-60 than a stock WRX (non-STI). I'd consider one if the dash was not so ugly and if the front end wasn't so agressive looking. Long live the sleepers.

:werd: its decent, but the front end with the beetle headlights and the typical american made dash is fugly.

[RiceBurner00]

Originally posted by exciv2000
Road and Track for June 2003 tested the SRT-4 (along with the Audi RS6, Mercedes E55 AMG, BMW M5, Evo VIII vs. WRX STI) and I quote "While it's not as polished as say, a Honda Civic, the neon chassis has come a long way since the mid 1990's." That right there tells you fit and finish both inside and out of a honda is far better than the neon. Long live the sleepers.

it doesnt say its far worse then a honda civic, and so what if they prefer civic a better deal over a neon? I like what suites me, reviews and test are good for an estimate but you never know until you own one

Long live the sleepers? how about Death to Rice Rockets?

[RiceBurner00]

Originally posted by LeonZ
:werd: its decent, but the front end with the beetle headlights and the typical american made dash is fugly.

I dont like the lights, but what other car has those kind of lights? Dont sterotype American cars, but yea, American cars arnt that nice.....




*rice

[stu]

Rice burner, what the hell are you talking about? Neither of those guys stereotyped American cars in their posts.

[Bedlam]

Originally posted by RiceBurner00
Long live the sleepers? how about Death to Rice Rockets?

Pretty sure my car and the STi arent "sleepers" in the traditional sense. They are, however, both Neon killers. I'm not afraid.

Talking to the guys at Mitsu today..they mentioned the Ralliart Evo thats going to be out this fall..and an ecu upgrade for the rest of us thats going to be mitsubishi approved...and kick the car up to 350hp. Who knows if they know what they are talking about...but I'm not worried about the damn neon. They are cheap AND ugly. Who cares if they are fast? :p

-Bedlam

[2000SiVTEC]

Originally posted by Bedlam
Pretty sure my car and the STi arent "sleepers" in the traditional sense. They are, however, both Neon killers. I'm not afraid.

Damn I would hope so, you only paid twice as much:p....................................just got to give you a hard time.

[V8SpankR]

I'm sure insurance on a Neon still won't be bad since it's rated at "215hp".

[LeonZ]

Hey rice burner, why are you getting offended if someone mentions anything related to american cars? Import owners here don't get offended if you diss an import as long as it's a valid point, which usually it is not.

[ryanman]

I say that we ban the dumbass aka-riceburner

[RiceBurner00]

lol @ you guys not getting offended, you guys dissed neons, but when I start dissing some of your guys rides you cry about it, suck it up

Why would you guys ban me, because I think hondas are bitch cars? look at the new commercial for the civic, and accord

[tsitim]

honda bitch cars I think not but IMO and as far as srt-4's go I will do one nice to get some groceries in or race some $30,000 sport compacts

[LeonZ]

Ok dude. Obviously paying attention is not yor strongest point. Shit, it its not even your second strongest point... I said people do get offended when you make a valid point. 'hondas are bitch cars' is not one of those. You're being extremely thick that's why you are not taken seriously. Have a good argument next time you want to argue.

[RiceBurner00]

when I say hondas arnt made for racing you guys get offeneded BECAUSE THERE NOT MADE FOR RACING, GET THAT THRU YOUR HEAD

[LeonZ]

Originally posted by RiceBurner00
when I say hondas arnt made for racing you guys get offeneded BECAUSE THERE NOT MADE FOR RACING, GET THAT THRU YOUR HEAD

ok dude. auroras and buicks are made for racing. there is a fucking concept.

[chrisbarnett01]

Originally posted by RiceBurner00
when I say hondas arnt made for racing you guys get offeneded BECAUSE THERE NOT MADE FOR RACING, GET THAT THRU YOUR HEAD


Um, ever hear of the Type R?

Civic Type R? Integra Type R?

Even a guy who owns neons knows that Honda goes racing, and is successful at it. And that they build very thoroughly engineered vehicles for it.

Yes, you're correct, not all Honda's are made for racing. But at there is a link between pedestrian Honda's and racing.

[ryanman]

Originally posted by LeonZ
ok dude. auroras and buicks are made for racing. there is a fucking concept. bahahahahaahahahaaha

[RiceBurner00]

Originally posted by LeonZ
ok dude. auroras and buicks are made for racing. there is a fucking concept.

I dont go to the track, I am not a racer, sure I am down for a race if I see someone who wants to race

yes, I did hear of Type-Rs, but I am into racing cars like a cobra, vette, viper, supras, camaros, 3000gts

[LeonZ]

Originally posted by RiceBurner00
I dont go to the track, I am not a racer, sure I am down for a race if I see someone who wants to race

yes, I did hear of Type-Rs, but I am into racing cars like a cobra, vette, viper, supras, camaros, 3000gts

thick ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thk)
adj. thick·er, thick·est

ex. : Informal. Lacking mental agility; stupid.

[RiceBurner00]

lol

[V8SpankR]

Most cars aren't intended for racing but that doesn't mean it can't be made to be race capable. I don't think Mitsubishi designed the Eclipses with drag racing in mind but some ambitious person tinkered with one and easily put it into the 13s with just some more boost and an exhaust.
Dave Buschur who owns Buschur racing was that guy and he was the first to put a DSM into the 13s,12s,11s,10s on the stock block.

Some cars become drag monsters by accident and I'm glad somebody was out there finding the limitations so we could learn from his mistakes.

[jasonwaaa]

fuck neons

[Mark_H]

Originally posted by RiceBurner00
when I say hondas arnt made for racing you guys get offeneded BECAUSE THERE NOT MADE FOR RACING, GET THAT THRU YOUR HEAD

Mine was.
Thanks.
Mark

[RiceBurner00]

by when i say there not made for racing, a lot of cars are not made for racing, some people (not saying any of you guys) think once they drive a faster stock honda they wanna go race and think wow this is a race car

[LeonZ]

Originally posted by RiceBurner00
by when i say there not made for racing, a lot of cars are not made for racing, some people (not saying any of you guys) think once they drive a faster stock honda they wanna go race and think wow this is a race car

kids, dont do drugs... especially those that are named after a part of your own ass...

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by 01ITR#700
Mine was.
Thanks.
Mark

Ohhhhh,that's good. :D:D

[WRX Harvey]

I went and looked at the SRT-4s the other day. They are very cool but the interior could use work. I wouldn't mind owning a used one at all. As for weak motors, anyone remember dodge's GLHS. This is so much stouter looking. It might even be fun to redo the crappy plastic interior. I am going to go test drive one.

[Brian]

Originally posted by RiceBurner00
by when i say there not made for racing, a lot of cars are not made for racing, some people (not saying any of you guys) think once they drive a faster stock honda they wanna go race and think wow this is a race car

Mark's type R ran low 13's on a completely stock motor with 7 psi on a custom turbo kit. How is that any less of a "race" car than any of the domestics on the street? Last I checked a well driven mustang gt runs 15's up here.

[Brian]

p.s. I don't think any of us here claim to drive race cars. We are just enthusiasts that like to mod cars.

[RiceBurner00]

yea but what can a type R run stock? with nothing, just bone stock

[2000SiVTEC]

Originally posted by RiceBurner00
yea but what can a type R run stock? with nothing, just bone stock

A lot of drivers have run them into the 14's bone stock.........

[Weston-work]

14.7 is the "official" time according to magazines, but I've heard of people beating that. That's a sea level, of course. It'd be 15's up here. But either way, The Type-R is still a race car out of the box.

Did you ever notice that real race cars can do a lot more than the 1/4 mile? Drag racing is clearly the weak part of the Type-R's performance, but it still does pretty well for a stock car in it's price range, and it's efficient and very reliable too. And when curves come into play, only a few cars stand a chance.

[91talon16gsi]

lol,i raced a 350z today and i got smoked!